bridiem Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I think there might be a bit of shoe hysteria setting in now... I'm very glad that Takada and Hirano are back. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, RobR said: Seriously though, could whoever is interested in pointe shoes start a new thread? There is a tradition in one of the forums that I follow: as soon as three messages go astray, i.e. don't exactly follow the topic, the moderator opens a new thread and moves three messages there. Everyone interested in these new messages can write in the newly opened thread. Believe it or not but in this topic on 'Sleeping Beauty' I counted 48 posts concerning pointe shoes. I did my share too.😳 Edited November 24, 2019 by Amelia The last sentence was added. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buru Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 23/11/2019 at 15:46, Fiz said: Good gracious! What a ridiculous comment! It’s the 21st century but I suppose it is Russia... I wouldn’t single out Russia for this. There are antisemitic moods everywhere, England, unfortunately, being a sad example at the moment. I think that some Russians are a bit frustrated with Osipova lately because she’s half the dancer she was 10 years ago (in classics at least). Natalia was such a prodigy when she first started but, unfortunately, didn’t live up to expectations. Obviously, it’s a problem of the fans, not hers as she doesn’t owe us anything. Still, it’s a bit sad to watch. Having said that, there are still many devoted fans of Natalia in Russia who love her dearly and for whom she’s always one and only, no matter what. I wasn’t impressed with Natalia’s Aurora on Wednesday but thought it was a better performance than two years ago, in particular thanks to Hallberg. I agree with those who say the Telegraph’s article was a bit of exaggeration but I can’t honestly say I disagree with it completely. The degree of disappointment may vary but most of the audience seem to agree it wasn’t a particularly memorable performance. Hopefully, the next one will be better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) On 21/11/2019 at 21:00, Lizbie1 said: (See Fonteyn at the beginning of this video: https://youtu.be/Ff9wotb7pyM) Sorry to return to my own post after a few days, but I only noticed last night - after more viewings than I should admit to! - that the prince who does the bulk of the partnering is I think Sir Peter Wright. (In my defence, why would I have been watching anyone other than Fonteyn?) Edited November 25, 2019 by Lizbie1 Shoddy punctuation :) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yes, I think this is the case. Sir Peter Wright actually refers to this role in the documentary that was made to celebrate his 90th birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane S Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) Surely that's David Wall? Peter Wright was the first Prince in the made-for-television production, some years earlier. Edited November 25, 2019 by Jane S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jane S said: Surely it's David Wall? There is definitely a film of Fonteyn in Rose Adagio with David Wall as the main Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Allen Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jane S said: Surely that's David Wall? Peter Wright was the first Prince in the made-for-television production, some years earlier. Yes, it's David Wall. It is an excerpt from the film of Act 1 of Beauty Keith Money filmed with the Touring Company in the early sixties. It was filmed at a theatre on the South Coast somewhere (? Bournemouth). Money had hoped to film the complete ballet with Fonteyn but couldn't raise the finance and only Act 1 was actually filmed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 On 24/11/2019 at 22:28, Buru said: I wasn’t impressed with Natalia’s Aurora on Wednesday but thought it was a better performance than two years ago, in particular thanks to Hallberg. I agree with those who say the Telegraph’s article was a bit of exaggeration but I can’t honestly say I disagree with it completely. The degree of disappointment may vary but most of the audience seem to agree it wasn’t a particularly memorable performance. Hopefully, the next one will be better. I checked my records for the previous performance of SB that I saw with Osipova and Hirano and it was March 2017. My view is that Act 1 was better in 2017, act 2 better this year, act 3 better then. Ms Osipova has, by moving to the RB, developed as an artist in a way that would not have been open to her had she remained in Russia. I hope that she continues to do so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I have the bbc music Guide for Tchaikovsky ballet music , by John Warrack. it was published in 1979 and is very interesting to read. I have found the section on SB helpful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buru Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Shade said: I checked my records for the previous performance of SB that I saw with Osipova and Hirano and it was March 2017. My view is that Act 1 was better in 2017, act 2 better this year, act 3 better then. Ms Osipova has, by moving to the RB, developed as an artist in a way that would not have been open to her had she remained in Russia. I hope that she continues to do so. Yes, indeed, it was March 2017 and I believe I saw the first of the two performances then as well. I liked it overall better this year (Rose Adagios were equally bad though), but then again, Osipova and Hallberg are one of my favorite ballet couples and their unforgettable Giselle in May 2010 is one of my most treasured ballet memories, so I may not be totally objective. On her move to RB, she seems totally happy here and we are happy for her. I disagree that it made her a better classical ballerina but she’s certainly got her desired dancing freedom and can perform anything she likes now. I’m all for letting people choose their own paths in life. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenLoveAppleJuice Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 26/11/2019 at 20:47, Buru said: On her move to RB, she seems totally happy here and we are happy for her. I disagree that it made her a better classical ballerina but she’s certainly got her desired dancing freedom and can perform anything she likes now. I’m all for letting people choose their own paths in life. In my opinion, her recording of Giselle with Acosta is my most treasured one. It is classical. And in my opinion her portray of Giselle will be in textbook and earn an important stage in the history of Giselle. It is not just about beautiful or lines, or jump as high as you could. But about bring something new and deep into such a classic role. And I don't think that it will happen if she remains in Bolshoi. It is really her own choice of focusing on what to do. Back to the sleeping beauty topic, maybe this is not her best role but she still brought joy to me. Honestly I won't book and manage to get to RoH on a Wednesday night if the partner is not Hallberg. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I never did manage to access Mark Monahan's review of Osipova's first performance, but I gathered enough to approach last night's Rose Adagio with some trepidation. But the balances were excellent (and you could see the joy and relief in her face afterwards, which was priceless!) and the whole was danced with such verve and aplomb that it was positively thrilling. Unorthodox use of the hands (throughout the performance), and a kind of physical and emotional extremity that doesn't sit easily with pure classicism; but gripping nonetheless. There is sometimes a danger of Osipova becoming almost a caricature of herself, but I think she just (only just, sometimes) manages to stay this side of that line, and what she delivers is a passionate, driven Aurora who is in as much need of being rescued by her prince as the prince is in need of finding his true love. The Vision Scene in particular was astonishing - her eyes seemed to be half closed most of the time, so you really knew this was a vision of a sleeping princess desperate to be awakened, yearning for her prince to come. And when she is finally woken by a kiss, her joy, relief and delight are palpable from the furthest reaches of the Amphitheatre. Technically she is getting more and more idiosyncratic, especially in the use of her hands and arms, which doesn't make for harmony with all the dancers around her (including Hallberg). But her turns and jumps were brilliant and her intensity completely memorable. Hallberg remains a conundrum. I do find much of his solo dancing breathtakingly beautiful; and he seems to be reliable in terms of some partnering e.g. supported pirouettes. But clearly there are problems with lifts, and in the more virtuoso parts of his solos he does sometimes falter. The technique of the fish dives was I think very slightly adapted, but worked well and they were fast and exciting. And he was an entirely convincing aristocratic prince with the creamiest lines and noblest bearing. His melancholy in Act II (until seeing Aurora) was positively tragic; and his wonder at the beauty of Aurora and, finally, at his realisation that a kiss would bring her to him, were a joy to behold. Bennet Gartside was a slightly sulky but effective King, with Kristen McNally as a more than usually imperious Queen. Fumi Kaneko was once more a superbly gracious Lilac Fairy (though I still dread that Prologue solo - even when done well it looks pretty horrible). I always find it quite amusing that even though she's a fairy with supernatural powers, when she wants to offer her blessings on the baby from above, she still has to be hoisted up there by two chunky attendants (and then when they put her down again, she thanks them graciously for their trouble. Brilliant!). Christina Arestis was a suitably wicked Carabosse; I got the impression this Carabosse was actually pretty pleased she hadn't been invited to the Christening, since it gave her an opportunity to unleash her evil. (And on the subject of the Christening - could a 'baby' not be found that looks like a baby rather than a doll??! In these days of Call the Midwife, surely a more realistic baby could be procured. I know this is a fairy tale and everything, but still...). 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneL Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I agree with much of the above. Osipova did a great job with the rose adage and vision scene, and Hallberg was a convincing lonely prince. I am seeing a different cast on Thursday so it will be interesting to compare. I would add that the ‘fairy group dance’ (for want of a better term - pas de six maybe?) in the prologue was beautifully done. Unfortunately I could write an essay for the ‘audience behaviour’ thread on the basis of what I saw in the stalls circle yesterday evening, especially re mobile phones 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Lin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 David Hallberg implies he might be retiring: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Ivy Lin said: David Hallberg implies he might be retiring: Or just not dancing SB again. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Well, if it's not on the schedule of the many companies who employ him, it's a reasonable estimation on his part, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryrosesatonapin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I have a kind of admiration for Osipova's insistence on having Hallberg as partner. Maybe I'm just being sentimental, but I feel she has done it for his sake as much as for hers, and I am sure she had long been aware of his limitations. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Ivy Lin said: David Hallberg implies he might be retiring: very glad I got to see him on 20 November. That’s the issue re dancers - you have to catch their dancing while you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 to stop dancing some roles does not mean you are retiring 🤔 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveclassics Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Shade said: very glad I got to see him on 20 November. That’s the issue re dancers - you have to catch their dancing while you can. I can think of quite a few male dancers who gave up dancing in SB but continued to dance happily in many other ballets. Let's face it, it's not the most exciting role for the man. Linda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Ivy Lin said: David Hallberg implies he might be retiring: Or the Royal Opera House is being demolished!!!😱 🤪 Edited December 4, 2019 by Rob S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Shade said: very glad I got to see him on 20 November. That’s the issue re dancers - you have to catch their dancing while you can. And some will remember him as a true Prince Desire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfW5kC_XZfE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqNWkbydqo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assoluta Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Quote Loved revisiting Sleeping Beauty @RoyalOperaHouse but... there is a very good chance it was my last. There is a very good chance it was his last appearance in the "Sleeping Beauty" at the Royal Opera House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctas Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Matthew Ball replacing James Hay for today’s matinee as Florimund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 This afternoon’s cast: King Florestan: Gartside Queen: Arestis Aurora: O’SullIvan Prince: Ball Catalabutte: Montes Carabosse: Mendizabal Lilac Fairy: Storm-Jensen (yay!) Fairy of the: Crystal Fountain: Pajdak Acri Enchanted Garden: HinkisZucchetti Woodland Glade: Hamilton Donnelly Songbird: Gasparini Dixon Jeremy Vine: Dias Serrano Lilac Fairy’s Cavalier: Aumeer English Prince: Avis French Prince: Richardson Indian Prince: Dubreuil Russian Prince: Mock Aurora’s Friends: Buvoli Gasparini Grennell Bradbury Stock Dean Roscoe Dias Countess: Pajdak Gallison: Emerton Florestan and sisters: Ella Gasparini Sasaki Puss/White Cat: Dixon Dean Florine/Bluebird: Hamilton Corrales Red Riding Hood/Wolf: Allnatt Mock Grand Pas de Dutchie O’Sullivan Ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleque Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Oh what happened to James Hay — hope he is ok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, Candleque said: Oh what happened to James Hay — hope he is ok Mr O’Hare came out and said he’d been taken ill and advised not to dance today 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Candleque said: Oh what happened to James Hay — hope he is ok Kevin O’Hare came out front of curtain to say James had been taken I’ll and had been advised not to dance today. Matthew Ball has replaced him at 2 hours’ notice - (3. 5 hours by the time he comes on!). Feeling very sorry for James and for Anna Rose O’Sullivan who has such a big debut today. Edited to add: (Whoops - writing at the same time as RobS.) Edited December 5, 2019 by capybara 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Candleque said: Oh what happened to James Hay — hope he is ok Kevin O'Hare came on to say that he'd been taken ill today and advised not to dance, and Matthew Ball had agreed to take over at 2 hours' notice. Really sorry not to see James Hay. And poor Anna Rose O'Sullivan. As if an Aurora debut isn't stressful enough even with the partner with whom you've rehearsed! P.s. lots of cross-posting! Sorry for the repetition Edited December 5, 2019 by bridiem Sentence added 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Rob S, Capybara and Bridiem came on to say Kevin O’Hare came on to say....😀 Edited December 5, 2019 by Rob S 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candleque Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, bridiem said: Really sorry not to see James Hay. Me too. But sounds like the flu or something which is better than an injury. I went to the Insights talk last night where they mentioned how many cast changes they have to deal with, especially this time of year. And the cascade effect. How they started the run with about 5 dancers for every fairy role and now it is more like two each. Melissa Hamilton filling in for Fumi Kaneko today for example. As well as doing Florine with Cesar Corrales (which should be fantastic) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 What a fantastic Rose Adage that was from Anna Rose, so confident 😍👏 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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