MissEmily Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 The Royal Ballet School have just announced “exciting changes” to their audition process. I can see that the dates have been brought earlier than they were this year, but it just looks like they’re reverting to the pre-Covid system of in person prelims. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Workhard_Dreambig Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Yes there is now prelims, semi finals and finals for year 7 girls. The prospect of now achieving finals seems even smaller than it was. Not to mention the cost if you’re successful at prelims and semis. It now feels much more daunting than it already did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissEmily Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 Thank you @SJBallet Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalletBoysDad Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Feels like it’s more aligned with Tring Park in terms of dates, with preliminary auditions being this side of Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 You never know, if they are changing the dates the AD might be able to attend his own upper school finals instead of being at the Prix de Lausanne. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 He attended upper school finals this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, amos73 said: He attended upper school finals this year Good grief. Wonders will never cease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadielou Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Prix was on line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 That explains it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteduvet Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Is entry into US a realistic goal? Or is exclusively competition winners and ex-WL? Edited July 13, 2021 by Whiteduvet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farawaydancer Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 43 minutes ago, Whiteduvet said: Is entry into US a realistic goal? Or is exclusively competition winners and ex-WL? There are usually a handful of newbies, often from overseas, but it does seem to be getting harder for an ‘outsider’ to gain a place. It does vary year on year though, so always worth trying I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalletBear Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I think it varies each year too but I do believe there are at least 3 UK students (that I can think of) joining the upper school this year that did not train at WL (and not all were at a lower school of any kind), so anything’s possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecatsmother Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 I went to see the Upper School summer performance for the year 1 students at the Linbury this year. I do mot normally go to this but I was curious to know how many of the students, especially the girls, were from the UK? There seemed to be alot coming in from dance competitions abroad? I think maybe around 13 or 14 ladies in that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissEmily Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 @ThecatsmotherNormally very few girls, but it does depend on the year group. This year, in first year, there were two British girls from White Lodge and one who came into Upper School from a “normal” school. I believe the rest are all from abroad. It does seem a great shame that the RBS doesn’t work in the same way as the other great ballet schools who only get rid of their students if there’s a serious problem and aim to nurture the talent they chose. It sends a questionable message about how much they value their own training! That said, there is no doubt that bringing in students from abroad broadens the British students’ horizons and has led to our stages being graced by the likes of Marianela, Mayara and Fumi to name just a few remarkable artists. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balletmummy18 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) This year there are 7 girls from year 11 WL going into upper school in September-4 from the original Year 7.This was from a year group of 16. This is a big increase of WLodgers Into upper school from recent years.There is a good chance of getting into upper school if you have not completed WL. Edited July 14, 2021 by Balletmummy18 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissEmily Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 @Balletmummy18That’s great news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BellaF Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Balletmummy18 said: This year there are 7 girls from year 11 WL going into upper school in September-4 from the original Year 7.This was from a year group of 16. This is a big increase of WLodgers Into upper school from recent years.There is a good chance of getting into upper school if you have not completed WL. I hope I'm wrong but the cynic in me suggests this might be a consequence of Covid and people not as wanting to travel abroad so much.... (not to take away from the, i'm sure, brilliant WL students) Edited July 14, 2021 by BellaF typo 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeafterballet Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 This was the YAGP 2021 scholarship winners offered places at RBS at the Japan finals. There were six year round places given out at this competition alone. Congratulations to the winners 🥳 Who said that RBS wasn’t attending YAGP anymore ? 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeafterballet Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Just to share….. Dd attended Paris YAGP twice and New York finals and took more classes in front of the RBS director than at any British audition. At one scholarship class the director of YAGP pointed out dd to the RBS AD and he said loudly that he didn’t like her feet 🤣 That was the most feedback we were ever going to get !! She was offered RBS summer school from that class. Dd declined and attended a US intensive instead 😃 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteduvet Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Clearly Symphony Ballet School is the place to train…! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecatsmother Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 This is interesting. When you look at places like SAB, Paris Opera School etc, there is a consistency of training style imbedded from an early age through years of work and learning the company rep. What happens to this when students drop in for the final year of US or indeed at 16? There is clearly room for improvement in the British training as it used to be the case their were almost full year groups of British students at RBS Upper School. Having said that the dance world is always attracted to ‘ new shiny objects’. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Also worth considering is the number of students from UK vocational schools who keep their place at RBS US for all three years and graduate at the end of the course. I’m not talking about those who sadly sustain injuries or those who choose to leave, but those who are assessed out before final year. I hope things have improved in this regard but I think it’s an important question to ask if offered a place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifeafterballet Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 41 minutes ago, Anna C said: Also worth considering is the number of students from UK vocational schools who keep their place at RBS US for all three years and graduate at the end of the course. I’m not talking about those who sadly sustain injuries or those who choose to leave, but those who are assessed out before final year. I hope things have improved in this regard but I think it’s an important question to ask if offered a place. That was my fear with RBS US. I had heard of students not progressing to the graduate year 😢 I then met two who danced with my son in the US and could see no reason why they hadn’t been able to graduate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut68 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) On 14/07/2021 at 14:26, cotes du rhone ! said: This was the YAGP 2021 scholarship winners offered places at RBS at the Japan finals. There were six year round places given out at this competition alone. Congratulations to the winners 🥳 Who said that RBS wasn’t attending YAGP anymore ? 🤔 So am I reading this correctly? That up to 6 precious RBS upper school places (1 year?or 2? Or 3) offered from one competition alone???? this is NOT fair as no way is this an audition opportunity available to all (even fewer than usual in these covid travel restricted times too I’d imagine) I’d be interested to know how this sits with the huge subsidies/bequests/tax deductible corporate charitable gifts/gift aided donations etc where much of this giving is with the Sim of supporting BRITISH ballet training....surely Witt the hope/expectations of nurturing home grown talent?? Thoughts peeps.... Edited July 15, 2021 by Peanut68 Typo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissonneDoublee Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 It would be nice to see a greater attention given to home grown talent, of course, and ensuring that lower school training is in line with what is required to gain upper school places. As you say, with so much funding involved, it should be imperative, but also from the point of view of the eleven year olds that forsake so much in order to place their training in the hands of the AD. However, the employability of the upper school students is massively boosted by the international renown of the school. The prizes given at international competitions and the overseas scouting for talent to ensure that the very best are being offered places is an essential part of being known as a world class training centre. It is incredibly tough, especially when we are parents of vocational dancers, to look at the numbers of lower school children that don’t make it into the upper school. But I can understand why the system is what it is. For the students that make it to the end of upper school, it pretty much guarantees them an illustrious career. But this is because the school is known for being one of the best in the world, not just in the country. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junedancer Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I am not condoning the practice of RBS in making offers to competition winners but remember that they don’t all accept and are not eligible for the government funded places. There are places funded by private donors. I do agree that training in the UK needs to match the standard of those received overseas however it is often a very different system in terms of academic and dance training and some competition winners are not always technically the best dancers, or so DD tells me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiteduvet Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 But how people claim to have trained there when they enter already at international competition level (which to my eyes is surely close to professional? They dance professional repertoire anyway for the competition..)? Or how can the school claim credit for them? Surely the school which got them to competition level is the actual trainer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverdancedjustamum Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I think I saw somewhere a WL letter of offer from this year and it looks like they’ve changed the system there too. Guaranteed training for first 3 years so I guess it won’t be as stressful as it used to be with the threat of being assessed out constantly hanging over the students’ heads. I wonder what will happen after those 3 years if this new system will impact on the number of WL graduates being offered a place at RBS upper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balletmummy18 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, SissonneDoublee said: It would be nice to see a greater attention given to home grown talent, of course, and ensuring that lower school training is in line with what is required to gain upper school places. As you say, with so much funding involved, it should be imperative, but also from the point of view of the eleven year olds that forsake so much in order to place their training in the hands of the AD. However, the employability of the upper school students is massively boosted by the international renown of the school. The prizes given at international competitions and the overseas scouting for talent to ensure that the very best are being offered places is an essential part of being known as a world class training centre. It is incredibly tough, especially when we are parents of vocational dancers, to look at the numbers of lower school children that don’t make it into the upper school. But I can understand why the system is what it is. For the students that make it to the end of upper school, it pretty much guarantees them an illustrious career. But this is because the school is known for being one of the best in the world, not just in the country. ..... but other internationally renowned schools who are also considered the best in the world don’t have to cherry pick ( Vaganova: POB)in such numbers.... neither do their ADS disparage publicly the value of international competitions and then recruit from them....no I don’t understand the British system (& speak from experience having had a dd just go through WL)and nope it doesn’t have to be like this .... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Did I imagine it, or is the Upper School going to become a degree course? I think I read this somewhere recently. In that case it could be one of the reasons why three years are guaranteed. As far as overseas students are concerned, many establishments (not connected to dance) such as boarding schools, colleges and degree courses rely heavily on fees from students coming from abroad to balance the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut68 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I think it might already be degree validated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowan Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 11 hours ago, SissonneDoublee said: For the students that make it to the end of upper school, it pretty much guarantees them an illustrious career. I don’t think this is true. While I’m sure it’s easier for RBS graduates to find jobs, the chances of any of them obtaining an “illustrious” career - depending on what is meant by that -will still be tiny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The red shoes Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 14/07/2021 at 08:47, Balletmummy18 said: This year there are 7 girls from year 11 WL going into upper school in September-4 from the original Year 7.This was from a year group of 16. This is a big increase of WLodgers Into upper school from recent years.There is a good chance of getting into upper school if you have not completed WL. Would be interested to know how many boys from year 11 are going into upper school and how many of those started in year 7.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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