Jump to content


  • Posts

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Everything posted by rowan

  1. DaDas are only for some diploma courses. You can’t get them for degree courses. There are 17 institutions on the DaDa list, some of which are drama schools or MT schools.
  2. Yes, Jewel is right. LSC is a private college and runs its own course, but it can’t award degrees. Although the degree is validated by Middlesex University, LSC students aren’t actually Middlesex students and therefore can’t get the normal student loan. As it’s a private college, there’s also no cap on the fees, hence why it’s more expensive.
  3. I’ve not heard of this school either. However, despite the heading of “degree” in professional dance, it clearly isn’t a recognised degree. The website then does go on to refer to a “diploma” - but a diploma recognised by whom? The IDTA don’t have diploma in dance, only a level 4 diploma in dance teaching, and a lower level 3 one for dance teaching assistants.
  4. Shevelle Dynott left ballet last year - or left ENB, to be more precise.
  5. Re Equity membership - it’s quite straightforward for dancers. You need to earn £500 from any area of work covered by Equity - it doesn’t have to be on an Equity contract - and the earnings threshold is less if you are below a certain age. Also, a contract from work abroad also counts for making you eligible. You can also join as a student. For others in the creative industries, more working behind the scenes, so possibly not directly useful to dancers per se, there is also the BECTU union - Broadcasting, Entertainment, Communications and Theatre Union.
  6. Prompted by this thread, I have written to my MP. Thanks, all.
  7. There is a template in a link by the organisation OnedanceUK which may be of help: https://www.onedanceuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Write-to-your-MP-template-message.docx
  8. Ah, had that always been the case? I didn’t know that. Yes, I agree, most ballet dancers surely want a full-time contract, not a temporary one where they are freelance.
  9. The latest temporary short-term contracts advertised by ENB actually did say you needed to have the right to live and work in the UK and they were unable to sponsor visas.
  10. I don’t think this is true. While I’m sure it’s easier for RBS graduates to find jobs, the chances of any of them obtaining an “illustrious” career - depending on what is meant by that -will still be tiny.
  11. At 7.5, my DD hadn’t even started ballet, or any form of dance at all. There’s no rush. But if she’s keen, there’s no harm.
  12. Congratulations, Primrose.
  13. I rarely post in this section of the forum, but I was there last night and was blown away in particular by Apollo, which I found quite mesmerising.
  14. Perhaps not the right place for this, but a very short BBC piece about a Muslim ballet school in London. Instead of working with music, they work with poetry instead- something I’d not thought about before: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-57360361
  15. What do you mean by “enough training”? It’s the quality that matters more than the quantity. Mine did, I think, about 2 hours a day - I can’t really remember now - and quite a bit on Saturday. It gradually ramped up as she got older. She started off doing three classes a week at the start of secondary school and then more. She came home from school (maybe 35 mins away) ditched her school bag, got changed, went to ballet, and came home for tea and homework. There was enough spare time left over for seeing friends, etc, and other hobbies too. Mine did 13 GCSEs - in the days when students seemed to do more subjects than they do now. So it was perfectly possible. The only thing ballet affected was that she couldn’t do an extra twilight GCSE (taught after the normal school day) on offer by her school, because that meant she couldn’t get to ballet in time. However, as I say, it was made easier because we lived close by a dance school with good-quality classes. This is key, I think. If the only thing you’ve got available is one class of RAD grade 5 within a 30-minute drive, that is much harder.
  16. I personally think it’s better to stick with a good academic school and good extra-curricular dance classes. However, it does depend what you have available close by, not just the quality and number of dance classes, but an academic school, or the surroundings. It may be that a vocational school and its environment is a real step-up compared to what you have available for an academic school, or if you live in an insalubrious area with low expectations, or if your child may be at risk in some way. It also depends on cost. Depending on your income, it may be that a vocational school is considerably cheaper than paying for dance lessons independently, unless you can get a scholarship or bursary. My DD’s ballet classes were only a couple of streets away and she went by herself, so there was no travel time involved. However, I’ve known several children drop in and out of the various vocational schools in different years, so it seems eminently possible - although I take the point that if some schools are now guaranteeing a place for several years, there may be less flexibility for new starters in the future - especially if they need funding. If people can pay full fees, there’s probably a lot more options.
  17. I agree with Harwel. I’ve known personally a few dancers whose bios on company websites are not a true reflection of reality. Often details get omitted or things get lost in translation, especially if working abroad. Sometimes this is done by the company itself, leaving the dancer wincing at inaccuracies. Sometimes it’s down the dancer him or herself presenting an edited version of the truth. Or sometimes a combination of both. Eg, one bio may say trained at X top school and then Y top school. Not mentioning that they were only at X top school for one year, and they spent the next four years elsewhere before joining Y top school. Those four middle years get no mention. Or “trained with RBS” really means an associate scheme or a summer scheme. I think it is very common - it’s a “narrative” as was said upthread. Darcey Bussell was at the Chiswick Arts Ed school, not Tring.
  18. Actually, a bit of digging reveals that Central is on the list as a specialised provider. It’s one of several institutions that come under the remit of the Conservatoire for Dance and Drama, which is specifically named on the specialist list. In that conservatoire are: Bristol Old Vic Theatre School, Central School of Ballet, London Contemporary Dance School, National Centre for Circus Arts, Northern School of Contemporary Dance and Rambert School of Ballet & Contemporary Dance.
  19. Yes, Central is not on the list at all. However, the University of Kent is, but it’s not a specialist provider. Central can’t be the only specialist provider that has degrees formally awarded by a different institution.
  20. So, does this mean that a ballet school that offers a degree like Central School of Ballet will be faced with the double whammy of losing funding and also losing London weighting? I have to say, I would have thought that was a specialist institution and would be on the list. Perhaps the list isn’t fully complete.
  21. One thing I was curious about: “10 million increase in funding to specialist providers”. What does that mean? What’s a specialist provider? Does it mean that, say, a music course at a university might have its funding cut, but one at a conservatoire such as the Royal College of Music wouldn’t? Have I missed somewhere where it explains?
  22. Is it a different method that is being taught? Eg, RAD English style at Associates and, say, Russian style in the home ballet school?
  23. Are you in the US? It’s only there that I hear about such long hours of training. 16 hours of dance per week for the intense programme seems a huge amount to me. Even the 4-8 hours for the less intense programme is quite a lot for a ten-year-old. My DD was doing just two classes a week at that age. It should be all about enjoyment at this age - and any age, really. Does she have other hobbies? The environment she is in doesn’t seem a healthy one for her. I think you must prioritise her well-being.
  24. I actually didn’t realise that vocational schools don’t do PE. I suppose it makes sense. My DC were at a normal comprehensive and they did the full gamut of sports and games, with lots of opportunities to develop those more for those who wanted. School sports can leave injuries, though. A friend of mine had her career as a professional musician curtailed very early after being whacked on the hand during hockey at school, which meant she couldn’t sustain the hours of practice needed, even years later.
  25. There’s a couple of things to consider with extracurricular activities: timetables clashing and practice time at home (for things like music). And then you need to leave time for academic work for school too. Plus general downtime, hanging out with friends time etc. For other activities, if timetables don’t clash, would your child be happy to “downgrade” their other activities or not, keep them as a casual hobby? Is it even possible? Are you as a parent willing to fund them? Like others, mine started to drop things around the age of 12-13. DD was at a junior conservatoire for music (auditioned for place) on Saturdays, and then a year later, she got a place at a ballet associate scheme at 11. For a while she could do both because the timetables didn’t clash too much - and the music place let her leave early to go to ballet. They were sympathetic because her teacher had been a musician in the ROH orchestra. But as time went on, the timetables for both changed and it was impossible to do both. The conservatoire needed its music students to spend more time there. DD had to choose, and she chose ballet. We found a new instrument teacher and DD continued to play her instrument at home and school (to lesser degree) but quit altogether at about age 14. It became very obvious which way it would go. DD wanted to do more and more ballet and less and less music. Being able to make a choice like this is quite an important life lesson, I think. You usually can’t keep all doors open to everything, and all choices have consequences.
  • Create New...