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Oh dear! Whilst I'm supportive of widening access to ballet, this smacks of another channel 4 'shockumentary' which exploits people in the name of entertainment.

 

I can't see that this will have any effect on changing attitudes, in fact quite the opposite if he's turned people away because 'they are not big enough'

 

Shame on Wayne Sleep for going along with this.

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sadly there are still teachers out there who feel its ok to comment on the size of their dancers, i've known a few who have either told the parents the child has to lose weight or worse told students they need to lose weight or they are fat etc.  we all would like to think that it doesn't go on but its wishful thinking to think it doesn't happen, sometimes weight is a key factors (going en pointe for example) but there are some people, teachers, parents and students who think you can only be a dancer if you are thin

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Well it is rude to use the word fat as a reference to someone's size. I happen to be thin and I would never call a person fat especially not a child. In this day and age it is unacceptable to call children fat, there are many different ways to broach this subject, all that is needed is a rich vocabulary.

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I love this. It's so interesting to watch what ballet can offer people of all sizes regardless of their sex. Ballet offers individuals so much more then just physical fitness. It also offers an introduction to abstract thinking at an early age and a keen sense of discipline.

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Well it is rude to use the word fat as a reference to someone's size. I happen to be thin and I would never call a person fat especially not a child. In this day and age it is unacceptable to call children fat, there are many different ways to broach this subject, all that is needed is a rich vocabulary.

Yes, I agree with you on that, and of course whatever words are used, it all boils down to the same meaning in the end.

 

There are many words for things which were formerly commonly used and are now considered unacceptable. They have been replaced by another word, then another, which have in turn become unacceptable also. Everyone (particularly in the media) ends up offending someone, and then yet another euphemism has to be found!

 

It is a very difficult issue, isn't it?

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I'm politically incorrect by nature and far too old to change, so a lard a**e is a lard a**e in my opinion and being fat can mean a short life. People should be shamed into losing weight.  Outside of London (and it's pretty bad inside London) the size of many people is disgusting, I don't mean just overweight but morbidly obese.  My oldest friend is dying as a result of diabetes and I have very strong views on the subject.

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That is evident MAB! I can see why you feel strongly but there are many reasons why a person may be overweight and I don't think calling anyone names or saying they should be "shamed into losing weight" is in the least bit constructive or compassionate.

 

Could we stick to discussing the programme, please.

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Totally agree S and P

I have a very close friend who has weight problems since she was about 55

She doesn't over eat or over drink but it is thought could be hormonal problems from having had ten years of fertility treatment (from which she has two lovely children....one of them my Godchild....now both in their twenties) and doesn't of course regret one bit but the weight problem is bringing up some health probs so now under GP.

 

Even without her particular problem some people find it easier to lose weight than others.....thyroid probs etc

 

However I do agree that some people do over eat and really need help to bring their weight down before problems begin.

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I'm politically incorrect by nature and far too old to change, so a lard a**e is a lard a**e in my opinion and being fat can mean a short life. People should be shamed into losing weight.  Outside of London (and it's pretty bad inside London) the size of many people is disgusting, I don't mean just overweight but morbidly obese.  My oldest friend is dying as a result of diabetes and I have very strong views on the subject.

 

Not entirely sure why you think you have a right to tell others how to live their life.  Perhaps if you're too old to change (so why you expect others to change, I don't know), you should keep your strong views to yourself.

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I am fat! I have been yoyo dieting for 20years, having arthritis means I can't exercise! Todays society is very judgmental, I don't smoke or drink, I'm a nice person, I'm kind and considerate, I love my husband and children and I never kick the dog!!

 

Before the children and arthritis(Brought on my the sudden death of my younger sister), right up into my 30's, I was a size 10 and exactly the same person I am now!! 

 

My dd and dancing niece have come across predjudice in the dance world because they were not the desired size, but are both still entertaining and teaching dance. My ds is currently underweight for a dancer!! Not every young dancing child, boy or girl, is going to be a ballet dancer or even a dancer. Most of them will use the skills gained from dancing  and performing in other aspects of their lives in the future, be it university, college or work.

 

As a final note: my father was never overweight, he never smoked or drank, he ran marathons for most of his life and virtually lived at the gym! He died at 69 of heart disease, his twin brother who was always a bit podgy and smoked a pipe is still going strong at 88!!!!!!!!

 

Some dc dance for fun not for a career!

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I'd like to think it must be better for any child of any size to be up and doing something rather than sitting on the sofa scoffing crisps watching rubbish telly!  We have several larger girls in our school and they are very lovely dancers and amazingly light on their feet.   They will never make it in the competitive world of dance and probably don't want to but at least they are trying to be active and will at least have a stronger heart and lungs. Hopefully it will be an interesting watch and not cringeworthy.

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It would have sounded better if he based the documentary on ballet for all sizes, short, tall, big, small, male and femal. Making a point that dance on a recreational level is for everyone. We will all just have to wait and see how the documentary is set I suppose.

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I agree with pas de chat in that I would rather see a child of any size up and active than sat in front of the TV or computer.  For a recreational dancer I don't think size should be an issue and certainly not for a child.  For the vast majority of us our children start their dance classes to have fun in the same way that a lot try out swimming, martial arts, football, gymnastics etc.  Activites the child enjoys least then tend to get dropped as time goes on.  I certainly did not envisage when I took my bouncy energetic 2 year old to her 1st class that 15 years later she would be at vocational school and set on a career in dance. 

I certainly hope that the programme does promote dance as an activity for everyone.

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