drdance Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I've just seen a post over on the dreaded Facebook, from a teacher who is at a workshop at another dance school. This is what she says: " It's not a true [name of school] workshop unless [name of teacher] makes at least one child per day throw up during her military warm up! There's a reason her girls have so much stamina! Everybody is having such a great time as usual!" This makes me so CROSS!!!! You can train dancers' fitness, strength and stamina effectively without anyone needing to throw up! Why is this not only acceptable but celebrated? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Everybody is having a great time throwing up??? Seriously? If this doesn't contravene some code of practice then it should. Surely the whole point of teaching fitness is to teach safe and reasonable techniques? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I think a lot of parents are conditioned to think this is normal. And teachers use the "this is how it is in the real world, I'm just preparing them" excuse all to often when parents "dare" to question it! Some of our students attended a workshop at another school and they were all told to remove their knickers before they went in for class- which our girls found really strange! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixiewoo Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Doesn't sound good to me, and i would not allow dd to attend a class like that. I grew up going to a dance school where you didn't wear pants under your leotards so that doesn't seem odd to me, but you do have to have well fitting leotards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 This is wrong, full stop. And probably dangerous. I dread to think what other dangerous practises are taking place in the name of 'stamina'. There are some schools which post pictures of other kids helping children into stretches that are definitely unsafe for a child to be doing on another child. Ps I have a feeling I coukd hazard a guess as to the name of said school 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I understand under leotards but this was under shorts- I'd imagine the seam would cause some irritation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Ps I have a feeling I coukd hazard a guess as to the name of said school Please don't! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I've just seen a post over on the dreaded Facebook, from a teacher who is at a workshop at another dance school. This is what she says: " It's not a true [name of school] workshop unless [name of teacher] makes at least one child per day throw up during her military warm up! There's a reason her girls have so much stamina! Everybody is having such a great time as usual!" This makes me so CROSS!!!! You can train dancers' fitness, strength and stamina effectively without anyone needing to throw up! Why is this not only acceptable but celebrated? Attention seeking cr#p (sorry to be so blunt) No knickers under leotards doesn't worry me, but boasting about children throwing up during warm up really does. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I could have a good guess too. But DrDance & I have our views on this. And bluebird a certain parent all 3 of us are aquatanced with often posts camel toe pictures on Facebook. My dd has never not worn knickers under her leotard & would give short thrift to anyone who tried to make her not wear them. As for stamina dh has known one instance of a senior student post 18 having to leave to be sick but this was during an actual agent casting session that was very high intensity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Please don't! Don't worry, I wasn't going to on here! Only in my mind ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowerpot Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I am horrified that anyone would think this is an acceptable way of teaching and bragging about it too. What age are these students? My 7 year old would be in tears and probably me too! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I think some of them are as young as 7, at least the school trains children that young if not younger, and right up to older teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdance Posted August 15, 2016 Author Share Posted August 15, 2016 What worries me more is that the person who was 'bragging about it' is a teacher from a different dance school who seems impressed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I guess there is a certain type of parent who will lean towards a certain type of school that takes part in certain types of events who will be impressed. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahw Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Awful and it's very hard to convince your vulnerable teen that such practices are inappropriate. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahw Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Hi Pictures, tried to PM you but think you may be full?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Possibly I have to clear things every so often. Give me 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Try now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyofdance Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 The school sounds horrific. How anyone can think that pushing a child so far that they vomit is acceptable let alone beneficial. Sadly it doesnt surprise me, the no pain no gain attitude is in a lot of schools. The school that made the children remove underwear is very worrying. My daughter belonged to a very pushy and aggressive dance school and it really knocked her confidence. Quite a lot of the children behaved the same way as some of the teachers so it became a horrible environment to be in. If the children were not pushy and overly competative they were accuse of being "not dedicated"The sad thing is that a lot of the parents think this is normal and will sacrifice almost anything (including their children) because they think that their little darlings are destined for fame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 There should be very strict clear guidelines to protect children from schools like this, I would never have sent my daughter to someone like this. To make someone sick or cry is breaking them and that is a fine line leaning towards abuse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 When did this not wearing knickers under leotards come into fashion then. It's not very hygienic in my view I can imagine being asked to do this ....possibly...if for a one off performance situation but at no other time can it be justified in a more routine sort of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdance Posted August 16, 2016 Author Share Posted August 16, 2016 There should be very strict clear guidelines to protect children from schools like this, I would never have sent my daughter to someone like this. To make someone sick or cry is breaking them and that is a fine line leaning towards abuse. I don't know - maybe if a parent or other adult saw the [alleged] incident take place then they could perhaps report them to the RAD or ISTD, or child protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Drdance please PM me a link and I for one will happily phone RAD and ISTD as I'm sick to death of this bull**** no-pain-no-gain ethos. My DD and friends used to do a stretch class and literally cry puddles of tears in pain seeing who could get the biggest puddle ... Not something I knew about for quite a while. All of this from an unqualified teacher's boot camp / military style workout. Some of you will remember my 'smacking' thread and I'm still so cross at all of that period of time and its consequences. I just had a massive rant on fb myself yesterday about some parent-bashing posters that are popular for dance teachers to share Our kids work so hard, they really don't need this rubbish [Edited by Mod - inserted ****] 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieN Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I teach martial arts, and there is a "street dance" group who train in the same building as I teach. Recently, one of the teenagers collapsed with heat exhaustion and an ambulance was called. I usually hear the teacher shouting at the group quite aggressively. I'm pretty sure that a similar "boot camp" regime is running there. I have travelled to China to train with some of the best martial artists in the world, and none of them have a 'boot camp' attitude like that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 The school sounds horrific. How anyone can think that pushing a child so far that they vomit is acceptable let alone beneficial. Sadly it doesnt surprise me, the no pain no gain attitude is in a lot of schools. The school that made the children remove underwear is very worrying. My daughter belonged to a very pushy and aggressive dance school and it really knocked her confidence. Quite a lot of the children behaved the same way as some of the teachers so it became a horrible environment to be in. If the children were not pushy and overly competative they were accuse of being "not dedicated"The sad thing is that a lot of the parents think this is normal and will sacrifice almost anything (including their children) because they think that their little darlings are destined for fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I think that is it joy of dance, the parents and children have seen various celebrity dance school programmes and believe, misguidedly, that this sort of thing will result in their child becoming fa famous dancer in that mould. The dangerous stretching that appears to go on, along the lines of annalisey's post is also a serious worry, with potential long term damage being done to children's hips etc. The fact that there seems to be no legislation re safe training practices for children is a real concern. Is that the case as I don't know about the legal why's and where fores? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 Drdance please PM me a link and I for one will happily phone RAD and ISTD as I'm sick to death of this bullshit no-pain-no-gain ethos. My DD and friends used to do a stretch class and literally cry puddles of tears in pain seeing who could get the biggest puddle ... Not something I knew about for quite a while. All of this from an unqualified teacher's boot camp / military style workout. Some of you will remember my 'smacking' thread and I'm still so cross at all of that period of time and its consequences. I just had a massive rant on fb myself yesterday about some parent-bashing posters that are popular for dance teachers to share Our kids work so hard, they really don't need this rubbish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I am aghast to hear about the puddle of tears Annalisey and I remember your posts about the smacking, I'm not surprised you are so upset and angry about it all, how awful for your dd. I'm so glad that she is no longer in such an abusive environment. As you say dance should never be about that sort of rubbish. X 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 And its just not necessary to get results. My daughter over the summer has bee attending an open stretch class run by Daniel Jones. She says its one of the best she's ever done and it's all about relaxing and opening up & that improves her flexibility more than anything painful 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 And its just not necessary to get results. My daughter over the summer has bee attending an open stretch class run by Daniel Jones. She says its one of the best she's ever done and it's all about relaxing and opening up & that improves her flexibility more than anything painful Yes, yes, yes! That is the safe and truly effective way to stretch. Forcing and pain are not safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 It's been a matter of concern to me for years as to how many dance teachers there are out there who aren't doing their CPD and keeping up with the latest thinking on what constitutes safe training and what doesn't. After all, there are probably loads of teachers out there who still encourage their students to do grand plie in 4th, or to bounce when stretching ... Practices change so frequently, and not everyone keeps up with them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 What's also worrying though is that many of these teachers are young - the new generation - thst are encouraging these unsafe practices. I've seen the post in question. I know of children that dance at this school. No-one will change their minds. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos73 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I agree pictures- and the whole social media thing exacerbates it. Kids look at photos of other kids doing this sort of training and want to do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now