Kat09 Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I'm not sure if this post is allowed and mods please feel free to remove it if not. My daughter has a facebook page which has been charting her progress towards her goal of becoming a professional ballerina ( a long way to go yet ) Anyone who is or who has daughters who are interested in following her journey are welcome to "like" her page ,Ballet nut - it has appropriate privacy controls and I moderate it. She lives breathes and sleeps ballet and loves to share with those of a like mind. Kat x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie4dancin Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 We will have a look kat09 thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie4dancin Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 We have joined your page lovely journey so far... Enjoyed looking at some stunning photos thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanprincess Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Her page is lovely Kat09 I too have a Facebook page, called Tinydancer, feel free to 'like' mine too x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugarplumsmum Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Well small world our Dd's dance together as SA's. tell her a massive welldone on getting into Elmhurst and I've no forgotten our £20 bet to good for them anyway x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guesty Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Lovely that your dd is going to elmhurst kat09. You are friends with my friend so we have followed your dd. Good luck to her. X 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guesty Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Will like your page too swanprincess. All of you dancers are so dedicated and just like my dd. Office jobs are just not for you guys! Ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa O`Brien Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Kat09,your daughter is beautiful.! Tinydancer I couldn`t find your Facebook page,sorry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Mentioned it to dd - she said she knows your dd and 'liked' her facebook page ages ago...! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat09 Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Hello everyone - thank you for all kind words - you have all made my DDs day sugarplumsmum that was not a bet I wanted to win but felt fairly confident that I would I shall spend my money taking you for coffee and cake when our daughters are next dancing together. xxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katymac Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 I liked them both, such lovely pictures and hopes from you both! I have one for DD too, called 'Roseamy' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flit and float Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 All the pages are lovely!! Will be nice to follow them after all the audition news! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2dancersmum Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 What a small world - friends in America introduced me to Balletnut - as they were following the story!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clara Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I love this and will go along and like any of the pages I can find! In fact, I think it's such a good idea that I have just created one for dd! I am going to maintain 'guardianship' of it until she is 13 and has her own FB then she can take over and share her journey if she chooses to! I love hearing about the journeys of all your talented dancing children so it's nice to put faces to names and hear how they are doing! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circe Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Some stunning photos on your dd's site Kat09 and inspiring for dancers to be able to follow each others ups and downs/downs and ups! Is your dd training full time at Autrand ballet in france? Looks amazing- has this worked out well as a training choice? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kat09 Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Chaperone,I have sent you a pm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I love this and will go along and like any of the pages I can find! In fact, I think it's such a good idea that I have just created one for dd! I am going to maintain 'guardianship' of it until she is 13 and has her own FB then she can take over and share her journey if she chooses to! I love hearing about the journeys of all your talented dancing children so it's nice to put faces to names and hear how they are doing! Clara; obviously this is your choice, but what you've said about "she can take over and share her journey *if she chooses to*" rang alarm bells with me. Facebook rules state that children shouldn't have an account until they are 13. If you set up a page (which can be seen and liked by anybody, as the pages mentioned above are), ANYONE can see and download photos of your young dd. What happens if at 13, she chooses NOT to continue to share her journey? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I must admit but my age probably showing here I'm not that keen on too much Facebook exposure even at 13!! It's still too young in my opinion to be completely independent on Facebook maybe from 16 but not before. I'd be slightly unhappy for younger children......who knows who is looking at the page......even though mostly kindly folks I'm sure....but what about private messaging on Facebook......can this be monitored by a parent? Even on this forum if a private message is sent to an individual a parent wouldn't know presumably. I still think 13 is too young to be an actual member of this forum!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I love Facebook and use it for myself but I would urge caution as Spanner and LinMM have expressed above. This does not relate to Facebook but it is a real situation that happened to the daughter of a friend of mine. As a youngster she was a serious gymnast on the fringes of the British team and expected to go further. The team set up web pages for a number of these young gymnasts. My friend checked his daughter's page every day and within a couple of weeks the page had been hacked. He immediately requested it be taken down. It is always worth remembering that anything we do online will be forever visible somewhere in the ether. Only last week I saw an article saying that Facebook evens saves drafts so if, for example, you are updating your status and decide against it and don't actually post Facebook still has the details! Please be very careful and cautious when posting data publicly on the internet. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circe Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 S&P and Linmm you raise important issues that are relevant for teenagers too...some of the dancers who are sharing their story through various social media are not cautious enough- there are photos of acceptance letters with home addresses sometimes which I find staggering. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clara Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I am very internet savvy and wouldn't post anything that puts any of my children in a dangerous position. As most people will and do have photos of their children as their profile/cover photo will know, these are also accessible to anyone. So I am always mindful of the type of photos I use. I wouldn't not have my photos on FB but my privacy settings are all very restrictive on my personal profile. My dd is not on FB and will not be until the the minimum age stated to have an FB account. She also knows that even at this point I will have her password not to be a controlling Mother but a caring and protective one. Lots of her friends already have accounts and I know they have posted photos from parties etc that include my dd. Lots of dance schools/companies both dance and business e.g. dance wear suppliers use images of children on their websites and FB pages. I do not intend on using an abundance of images on my page and I would not disclose private information such as her full name, address etc on any public forum. But I do think it's those who do not have a full understanding of the internet and social media who are more at risk than someone who is using it in a fun and informative way with a good knowledge of how things work! Again, as any of you with an FB page will know, you can have joint administrators and when dd is old enough I will continue alongside her to administrate the page (along with overseeing her personal account when she has one!) to ensure she is using it in a safe and appropriate way. I echo chaperone regarding some people not being cautious enough as time and time again on FB, Twitter and Instagram I have seen numerous dancers posting acceptance letters etc from auditions which are a cause for concern as they display far too much private information in a very public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Oddly I've just been debating Facebook for 12 year old dd. she turns 13 in October as I think she's a bit out of things socially. I would not feel within my rights to set up an update/news account for either of my children pre the age of 13. Although I have many rights as a patent I don't feel i have the right to put information into the public domain without their knowledge, understanding & consent. Dd has an online presence from newspaper articles, stage school, production company websites etc but all things where she & I have known that publicity is a pre requisite for taking part. She has a right to privacy. I put certain stuff in here, yes knowing there are other posters who know who she is, but I know who they are too. & will use PM for personal stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clara Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Dd has knowledge of anything posted in relation to her on FB. I myself when I danced for NYB years ago had an article printed in the local newspaper about my dancing achievements. Wrongly the newspaper published my surname and the name of the road I lived in. As a result I received hoax phonecalls as my surname was a relatively unusual one, so from the information given it wasn't difficult for someone to obtain my phone number. Just regrading the point of disclosing information online without our childrens consent.........How many members on here can honestly say that their children know every single thing that is discussed about them on this forum. Very few I should imagine if we are being honest. I have and will always be of the opinion that social networking can be very dangerous. IF you don't know how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Discussing one's own children on here without publishing their full name, photos, dance school etc is a different issue though. We shouldn't get confused with two separate issues: the first being a personal Facebook *account* at age 13+, which can be stringently monitored by a parent, which has the tightest possible privacy controls, and the child has worked through potential issues with their parents, had a good look at the CEOP "Think u know" website etc. My dd knows that even with the strictest privacy controls, she should only post photos or statuses that she'd be happy to see on a billboard. This is very different indeed to setting up a Facebook *page* about your child, which anyone in any part of the world can "like" and see all the information thereon. Photos and information can on such a page can end up ANYWHERE; even after the photos or page is deleted on Facebook. Which brings me back to the question "what happens if at 13, a child chooses NOT to continue publishing his or her ballet journey" - and you have already set up and published a public "page"? With a Facebook ACCOUNT you can control who looks at anything beyond your actual name and profile photo. You can choose who to accept as a "Friend". With a PAGE you cannot control who sees the information once they have "liked" the page. You can block people should they spam/flame/offend, but by that time they can already know more than you'd like. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clara Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hmmm feels a little bit like a personal attack when like I say I am an adult sensibly sharing information that I and dd are happy to.......Which is probably a lot less dangerous than some of the older yet still 'young' dancers who have their own pages. I have loved looking at all of the pages I have come across but there are a lot of photos on many of these. Just because they are 15/16 does it mean they are any safer than a responsible adult acting on behalf of their 12 year old? Probably not but I have enjoyed looking at all of the pages of these beautiful aspiring dancers so I think it is down to the individual and their parents/children. In my case I know my dd better than anyone on this forum and know what is acceptable/appropriate for both of us. Although I appreciate your concern I feel it is a little misdirected in the grande scheme of things. I know countless dancing children some under some above the FB recommended age who post a huge amount of information both data and photographic very publicly and their parents are quite oblivious to the fact. There are definitely more serious concerns, but I guess you can choose to target who you wish on a site like this! I take no offence. What is 'right' for one person on here isn't always 'right' for another. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsapassion Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I find this very disturbing ...why would you want strangers to see where your DC train, audition, their day to day whereabouts and pictures in leotards?. To me its just trying to promote your child .. its unhealthy and will spiral out of control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancingDays Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I think as long as both parent and child are in agreement, then it's a personal choice. Just to provoke a little more thought though....how many of us and our children have benefited greatly from seeing and reading of other DC's achievements through these very same mediums? I know we have in our household...we find them motivating, encouraging, informative and inspiring (and sometimes give us pause for thought in whether this is a route to go down )! If all of us then decided not to share our successes / failures / journey's through whatever medium whether it be Facebook, Twitter, Press, etc then what a poorer place it would be.... I know that I certainly wouldn't have known how to create opportunities for my DD without them My DD has appeared on the Facebook pages of the RAD East Mids, MTB, NYB, local Dance School and in the local press and School newsletters and I've never considered that this is irresponsible on my part...but rather I am happy that these will form part of her memories however her journey turns out 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I think it's having a special Facebook page dedicated to them that is the problem though not occasionally appearing on an RAD website page or the like. Or if they do competitions being named and /or photographed as a winner etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Hmmm feels a little bit like a personal attack when like I say I am an adult sensibly sharing information that I and dd are happy to.......Which is probably a lot less dangerous than some of the older yet still 'young' dancers who have their own pages. I have loved looking at all of the pages I have come across but there are a lot of photos on many of these. Just because they are 15/16 does it mean they are any safer than a responsible adult acting on behalf of their 12 year old? Probably not but I have enjoyed looking at all of the pages of these beautiful aspiring dancers so I think it is down to the individual and their parents/children. In my case I know my dd better than anyone on this forum and know what is acceptable/appropriate for both of us. Although I appreciate your concern I feel it is a little misdirected in the grande scheme of things. I know countless dancing children some under some above the FB recommended age who post a huge amount of information both data and photographic very publicly and their parents are quite oblivious to the fact. There are definitely more serious concerns, but I guess you can choose to target who you wish on a site like this! I take no offence. What is 'right' for one person on here isn't always 'right' for another. Clara, I am not attacking or targeting anyone and I resent the implication that my expressing concern is a "personal attack". I was expressing concern because it was not clear from your posts that you understood the difference between information shared on a personal Facebook account and a published Facebook page. As you say, you know your dd and can decide as a family how to proceed. Kind regards, Spanner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clara Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 And I resent the way you talk to people sometimes S&P without knowing all the facts or assuming what I do and don't know. You still seem to be talking at me with a very clipped tongue. Not entirely appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Well Ive just had a quick look to see what all the fuss is about and I see that Kat09 's daughter is 15 possibly 16 by now. Which is a bit different to 12-13 say. I would say it's okay from the GCSE year onwards so 15-16......to have a Facebook account or page etc. I'm so glad I don't have to make these decisions as no doubt sometimes parents get badgered into agreeing to things we all know the line "well everybody else does " But unless your child has been pestering you to death about it I wouldn't promote this personally. I am a bit old fashioned though and deep down like children to grow up a bit more slowly and I do think too much Facebook exposure doesn't encourage this particularly. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I don't think any of us expressed concern over the pages for older children (except showing full addresses in acceptance letters) but concern over publicly open info pages for children under 13. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileen Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Well, I didn't know the difference between a Facebook page and a Facebook account and so that's something that I've learnt. Neither of my two have shown much interest in Facebook, and I'm told that it's something that girls are more interested in than boys (my 15 year old is a boy). In my neck of the woods it seems to have been superseded by Instagram or something similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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