Bruce Wall Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) There have now been so many articles, papers, speeches, TV items etc., on this/these subject(s)/theme(s) I thought it would be good to have a thread/strand on this/these topic(s) here to see where it might go. Perhaps a Resolution List for UK Ballet for 2021 ... (We could - keeping within this/these theme/s - even involve discussions of a/assortment of 'New Normal(s)' for BcoF as well if you wished.) All, of course, by way of suggestions. Change can be good. Certainly it can be exciting. This is after all (and certainly will be) a different/changed world for us all to engage in/with. The past is resolutely now the past. A changed/changing future is defiantly nigh. Edited June 26, 2020 by Bruce Wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaM Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) One thought on the cutting costs side would be less opulent productions .... less scenery, less flamboyant costumes, cutting special effects, fewer participants on stage. I realise this last suggestion means fewer jobs 😔 Having seen Johan Kobborg’s R&J with cast of 25 or so convey crowd scenes even on the enormous Arena Di Verona stage, it can be done. And indeed to me, was more enjoyable than having one’s eye constantly being distracted by inconsequential action going on. There is already a lot going on in the story! Edited June 26, 2020 by FionaE Removed weird images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) I was just thinking about Bayadere in fact - the last time I commented on its appropriateness, the thread was shut down. But I think that because of BLM, there has been a shift in attitude in some of the arts and raises again the issue of cultural appropriation. One outcome is that the use of white actors to voice minority ethnic roles is stopping. So I think it's worth revisiting and asking the difficult question about whether it can really be performed again in the UK in its current form. Especially as it's not just a statue or painting or book, but a living breathing piece of art. I guess for me, I would be happy to preserve the third act and some excerpts, but I wouldn't see it again as a whole. Also, one point I didn't make last time was we don't know how dancers (from any company) might feel about dancing it, the sacred fire dance for instance. Do they have a choice to refuse to dance it? If they don't, how comfortable are we as an audience to pay for a ticket? Edited June 27, 2020 by Sunrise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Sunrise said: I was just thinking about Bayadere in fact - the last time I commented on its appropriateness, the thread was shut down. But I think that because of BLM, there has been a shift in attitude in some of the arts and raises again the issue of cultural appropriation. One outcome is that the use of white actors to voice minority ethnic roles is stopping. So I think it's worth revisiting and asking the difficult question about whether it can really be performed again in the UK in its current form. Especially as it's not just a statue or painting or book, but a living breathing piece of art. I guess for me, I would be happy to preserve the third act and some excerpts, but I wouldn't see it again as a whole. Also, one point I didn't make last time was we don't know how dancers (from any company) might feel about dancing it, the sacred fire dance for instance. Do they have a choice to refuse to dance it? If they don't, how comfortable are we as an audience to pay for a ticket? I see absolutely no point in re-rehearsing the previous discussion about La Bayadère, which was only closed down after all the arguments had been fully aired. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, bridiem said: I see absolutely no point in re-rehearsing the previous discussion about La Bayadère, which was only closed down after all the arguments had been fully aired. I haven't rehashed any arguments. My point is just that attitudes have changed because of BLM and I thought that as result there may be more reluctance to stage Bayadere by some companies again, but I may well be wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, Sunrise said: I haven't rehashed any arguments. My point is just that attitudes have changed because of BLM and I thought that as result there may be more reluctance to stage Bayadere by some companies again, but I may well be wrong. You were implying the validity of the arguments against staging it in its current form. But it may well be the case that companies will not want to risk being attacked and so will not programme it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnabelCharles Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I agree with FionaE that pared down productions might be one way forward, and although I love theatricality and opulence - gasp-inducing scenery and gorgeous costumes - the dance is the most important thing. This was brought home to me watching the three live concerts from ROH when the dancers performed on a bare stage, with the simplest of costumes - and the starkness allowed you to focus completely on their movements and the music. - I also agree with Sunrise that BLM is prompting widespread reflection on issues and practices related to racism, diversity and inclusivity. I was interested to read this on the ROH website - https://www.roh.org.uk/news/statement-black-lives-matter - which prompted me to watch Marcelino Sambe's performance and listen to Joseph Sissons' poem again - both of which are thought provoking and moving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Well, I have several times this decade expressed a wish that choreographers, and especially perhaps more junior ones, would at times concentrate on the choreography rather than going overboard on design, "sets" and so on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, alison said: Well, I have several times this decade expressed a wish that choreographers, and especially perhaps more junior ones, would at times concentrate on the choreography rather than going overboard on design, "sets" and so on. ...and the minimalist lighting we always seem to get these days! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, alison said: ..... would at times concentrate on the choreography rather than going overboard on design, "sets" and so on. .... on unnecessarily expensive design, sets and so on. Completely agree. There never was much justification for doing this but there is absolutely none at all now. It would be interesting to create a list of money-saving ideas. Here is my contribution (and I am not pointing my finger in any particular direction) - avoid shipping in costly guest stars (however wonderful) when there is home talent in plenty (i.e build the preparation of several ‘covers’ into the rehearsal process) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaret Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, zxDaveM said: ...and the minimalist lighting we always seem to get these days! I agree with that, I would love the Opera house to go back to how it was some time ago. I remember attending Wolf Works and finding it difficult to see from the amphitheatre what was happening, it was much easier to see at the cinema relay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeannette Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I don’t mind smaller-cast works in the short or medium-term. Think of all the wonderful neglected Antony Tudor works requiring 10-15 dancers (or less) that can and should be satisfactorily revived in the post-COVID season...or the early small-scaled Ashtons, such as Facade or even Foyer de Danse? Hmm? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I know nothing about the relative costs of new productions - reliable information is hard to come by - but at least the RB is in a place now where the designs for the classics are generally well liked. If cutbacks mean that re-designs of these and expensive new commissions (such as Alice and Frankenstein) aren't considered, so much the better IMO. (Though I would mourn if Ashton's Cinderella is deferred yet again, as the current production seems to be the sticking point.) The Opera, however, is not so comfortably situated. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angela Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 The cheapest way to continue is to cancel any new creations and show repertory productions for a while. No need to reduce sets and costumes, as they already exist. Nutcrackers and Swan Lakes fill the house and bring money in, which is what all the companies need after the long closure. When they have some kind of financial basis back, they will continue with the productions they had postponed, I guess. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 However, Kevin O'Hare said on air that the RB would continue with its mix of old and new. Maybe new works (small, socially distanced as they might need to be) could provide opportunities for dancers to DANCE where the larger full company productions might not............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Jeannette said: I don’t mind smaller-cast works in the short or medium-term. Think of all the wonderful neglected Antony Tudor works requiring 10-15 dancers (or less) that can and should be satisfactorily revived in the post-COVID season...or the early small-scaled Ashtons, such as Facade or even Foyer de Danse? Hmm? Yes, but don't they tend to require smaller theatres, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeannette Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Facade and Tudor’s Gala Performance worked well at Sarasota Opera House, which is quite large. These are unusual times. I would rather have the RB try these small-scale works with ensembles & decorative elements, than just a bunch of solos and pdds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angela Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Either you touch, or you don't. So it's either an evening of solos and pdds for the married couples, and nothing else - or the whole company feels safe to dance together again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 10 hours ago, alison said: Yes, but don't they tend to require smaller theatres, too? I've been wondering whether the Linbury might have a place in the gradual re-opening. If guidelines were to evolve to limit numbers rather than or as well as specify distances, it might make more sense than the main theatre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Yes, I wondered whether they might start again with the film screenings in the Linbury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 But the Linbury is already so small that once you factor in social distancing the audience would be vanishingly small. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 True, We'd both enjoy it though... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 hours ago, bridiem said: But the Linbury is already so small that once you factor in social distancing the audience would be vanishingly small. Well, that's why I said, "If guidelines were to evolve to limit numbers rather than or as well as specify distances"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 59 minutes ago, Lizbie1 said: Well, that's why I said, "If guidelines were to evolve to limit numbers rather than or as well as specify distances"... Sorry, Lizbie1 - I didn't register the 'limit numbers' bit! But I fear that some sort of distancing will be part of the equation for quite a well yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janite Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) I was listening to Megan Fairchild In conversation with Wendy Whelan about Albert Evans. Megan remarked that fish don't know they are in water until you tell them, I thought how my thinking and understanding of black dance issues have moved a bit since the BlackLivesMatter demonstrations. One of the things I have been doing is watching a lot of Black companies while the opportunity is here. When I went back to watching a usual company it seemed to lack something and it brought home to me how White ballet is and that we need diversity in dance. Wendy also said that Albert had been very good at making people feel comfortable around him, and I thought of all the extra work BAME people have to do around White people. These are good personal challenges for me. Edited July 20, 2020 by Janite 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeannette Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 (edited) The best dancers should be cast in leading and featured roles, period. For me that’s the big take-away of what we’re going through now. However, I hope that the great historical ballets of our art’s repertoire (incl the Petipas) are not watered down or substantially changed because of BLM and such...eg, it’s ok (right) to remove “blackface” makeup from the kids who accompany the Golden Idol in Bayadere...but, good grief, don’t turn Abderakhman into a non-Muslim character. The Crusades are at the heart of the ballet Raymonda. The scenario’s resolution restored by Vikharev for LaScala brings sense to the story (the “White Lady” Christian statue blinding Abderakhman with the mirror, causing his defeat). If one can’t deal with the story & the existence of religion in our world, don’t buy a ticket. The various religions are part of our humanity, whether we like them or not. Ditto what Hubbe has done with the Bournonvilles in Copenhagen - removing any reference to Christianity. (But I’m fine with removing the minstrel-like characters from Far from Denmark. Good riddance to them! Ditto how the Vaganova Academy removed the Afro-American minstrel number from Fairy Doll. I hope that never returns!) Edited July 20, 2020 by Jeannette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadielou Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 On 27/06/2020 at 22:39, Sunrise said: I was just thinking about Bayadere in fact - the last time I commented on its appropriateness, the thread was shut down. But I think that because of BLM, there has been a shift in attitude in some of the arts and raises again the issue of cultural appropriation. One outcome is that the use of white actors to voice minority ethnic roles is stopping. So I think it's worth revisiting and asking the difficult question about whether it can really be performed again in the UK in its current form. Especially as it's not just a statue or painting or book, but a living breathing piece of art. I guess for me, I would be happy to preserve the third act and some excerpts, but I wouldn't see it again as a whole. Also, one point I didn't make last time was we don't know how dancers (from any company) might feel about dancing it, the sacred fire dance for instance. Do they have a choice to refuse to dance it? If they don't, how comfortable are we as an audience to pay for a ticket? Honestly who are the ethnic minorities that are upset about "the firedance" ? I would love to speak to them. It seem to me that is a certain group of white people getting upset on their behalf finding problems where there are none. Bayadere and virtually every classical ballet of this time era are basically fairy stories who on earth can be so offended ?. Should indigenous English people be upset when an oriental or Bame dancer portrays Elgar and his friends in Enigma variations ? This is all totally ridiculous there must be more to worry about - like when are the dancers ever going to get back on stage ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 It's interesting to see what Cassa Pancho, the Artistic Director of Ballet Black said recently about this (towards the end of the report): https://www.tlbc.org.uk/resources/125-in-conversation-with-cassa-pancho-mbe and, also, her list of things companies might wish to consider on the question of equality: https://balletblack.co.uk/the-company/equality-resources/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sadielou said: Honestly who are the ethnic minorities that are upset about "the firedance" ? I would love to speak to them. It seem to me that is a certain group of white people getting upset on their behalf finding problems where there are none. Bayadere and virtually every classical ballet of this time era are basically fairy stories who on earth can be so offended ?. Should indigenous English people be upset when an oriental or Bame dancer portrays Elgar and his friends in Enigma variations ? This is all totally ridiculous there must be more to worry about - like when are the dancers ever going to get back on stage ! I don't think either specifically references the fire dance, but a couple of posters of Asian origin expressed their discomfort with La Bayadere here and here - there may be some other examples in the same thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oncnp Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 55 minutes ago, Lizbie1 said: I don't think either specifically references the fire dance, but a couple of posters of Asian origin expressed their discomfort with La Bayadere here and here - there may be some other examples in the same thread. Thanks for reminding me of SMballet's priceless post....and her great kindness to a completely clueless stranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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