Tulip Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Isn't that the company where the artistic director originaly trained at Tring. I know he has taken on some of the students there, which is great as it gives them experience and a good C.V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileen Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Why doesn't Tring expand the ballet programme if there are so many students there that want to specialise in classical ballet? IMO, there is no point spending all that time and money on a course which the student feels is not right for him/her and which does not give him/her the best possible chance of succeeding in the incredibly competitive world of classical ballet. Students should be able to choose their "stream" even if this could detrimentally affect the School's graduation statistics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 It's great to see new companies like BTUK, but how long are the contracts for - just a few weeks at a time I believe. Good on the CV for experience, but not really earning a living. Last year's dancers seemed to spend a lot of time back at Tring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 The other interesting thing to pop up about Tring is that they seem to be developing a Ballet Company made up of graduate year students (?) which sounds as if it's along the same lines as Ballet Central. It'll be interesting to see how that develops and if it improves the number of Tring students getting classical contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybeans Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Why doesn't Tring expand the ballet programme if there are so many students there that want to specialise in classical ballet? IMO, there is no point spending all that time and money on a course which the student feels is not right for him/her and which does not give him/her the best possible chance of succeeding in the incredibly competitive world of classical ballet. Students should be able to choose their "stream" even if this could detrimentally affect the School's graduation statistics. Wanting to be a classical dancer and being able to be a classical dancer are not always one and the same thing. Surely, if the school were to allow students onto the classical programme knowing that they would not succeed in this genre they would ultimately not have the students best interest at heart. As other threads are showing, Schools are already training far more students than there are jobs anyway! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I'm afraid Tring's 3rd year company has been cancelled after just one performance. As mentioned in an earlier post, only a few of those who stayed on for 3rd year were classical dancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petipacat Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 yikes really pas de quatre,do you know why that is ,sorry if i have missed a post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I'm afraid Tring's 3rd year company has been cancelled after just one performance. As mentioned in an earlier post, only a few of those who stayed on for 3rd year were classical dancers. Oh! :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileen Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Jellybeans, I appreciate what you are saying but the student should know what track he/she will be on before he/she joins the school so that he/she can make an informed decision about whether it really is the right course for him/her. If it isn't then he/she can make other plans and free up his/her place for someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybeans Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Jellybeans, I appreciate what you are saying but the student should know what track he/she will be on before he/she joins the school so that he/she can make an informed decision about whether it really is the right course for him/her. If it isn't then he/she can make other plans and free up his/her place for someone else. I TOTALLY agree that they should know beforehand; in my view it is unforgivable that they don't. However, I do think that it is also best not to give people false hope by allowing them onto the classical course knowing that, for whatever reason, they may not succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petipacat Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 surely they must do at least a term before the teachers advise them on the route they should per sue ,does any one know if this is the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Can we please keep this thread to discuss graduate destinations and if you would like to carry on the discussion about the pros and cons of Tring Park's ballet programme, please start a new thread. I could move them myself but I'd rather not as some of the comments have covered more than just this point and the whole thing will get confusing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petipacat Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Yes Sorry JulieW you are quite right oops 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfbrew Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 It's great to see new companies like BTUK, but how long are the contracts for - just a few weeks at a time I believe. Good on the CV for experience, but not really earning a living. Last year's dancers seemed to spend a lot of time back at Tring. We really do need to stick to the thread but I'd like to point out that some of BTUKs dancer have been in the company from the start and many are on their second or third season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 If we are discussing graduates destinations, we need to take into consideration that there are many different types of contract out there. A friend whose dd graduated from RBS and gained a full corps de ballet contract told me the following. In previous years the contracts RBS students gained were all for full corps de ballet contracts, but last year many were only apprenticeships or 2nd company positions. Apprenticeships used to be paid positions, salary a bit lower than corps. There are also some 2nd companies that are paid positions just encompassing a younger age group than the main company. However in the USA, and now this is happening in Europe too, these apprenticeships and 2nd company positions are like the unpaid internships in other walks of life. Traditionally in Europe contracts were for a full year with options to renew. Now there are many that are short term - ENB augments its company with contracts for a few weeks when it is performing at the Albert Hall. In one of the recent documentaries some of the girls were highlighted - beautiful dancers who were having difficulty finding another job. Angel Corella's ballet company did the same last year, short term contracts for a production of Swan Lake. The difficulty with these short term contracts is how the dancers can keep their standard up when not employed. Hence my comments about dancers returning to Tring to continue training after their tour with BTUK finished. That solution can only work for a short time. Hopefully they will then go on to longer contracts elsewhere. In the contemporary world there are a few companies in UK, but the majority of work is for specific projects. Even Matthew Bourne says he does not "run a company" as he auditions and employs dancers for roles in specific productions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 If we are discussing graduates destinations, we need to take into consideration that there are many different types of contract out there. A friend whose dd graduated from RBS and gained a full corps de ballet contract told me the following. In previous years the contracts RBS students gained were all for full corps de ballet contracts, but last year many were only apprenticeships or 2nd company positions. This makes me feel even more proud of the students I know who have been given one year (and longer) contracts and have been kept on by their companies I have certainly noticed that a lot of the auditions the students are going for are for short-term contracts - for one production. But often they are kept on for the next one, so there's no real break in their work. I suspect a lot of the graduates this year will be taking these types of jobs are there seem to be far fewer full company contracts on offer. Just how the world is at the moment I suppose - Arts funding cut everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancedizzy Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 (edited) Sorry Julie I take your point regarding Tring but feel the training/opportunities students receive affect their ultimate destinations as graduates. My daughter trained at RBS then on to Tring the only bones in her body were classical ones! Dance Director at Tring tried over a 4 yr period to persuade her to follow a jazz/contemporary route definitely square peg round hole syndrome! Tring will have more graduate classical success once the current dance director steps down and a director with a classical dance training background takes over! My vote is for Terry wright and Lorraine Jones! Edited April 4, 2012 by dancedizzy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pups_mum Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 I have certainly noticed that a lot of the auditions the students are going for are for short-term contracts - for one production. But often they are kept on for the next one, so there's no real break in their work. I suspect a lot of the graduates this year will be taking these types of jobs are there seem to be far fewer full company contracts on offer. Just how the world is at the moment I suppose - Arts funding cut everywhere. I think it probably reflects the current economic climate. There are a huge number of temporary contracts being offered in both the public and private sectors in all industries at the moment.I know quite a few recent graduates in things like engineering and nursing who can only get temporary contracts. I presume it's something to do with employers having less responsibility to temporary or contract workers. I suppose the performing arts have always been less "stable" than many professions so will have been hit even worse though. Fingers crossed things improve soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted April 4, 2012 Author Share Posted April 4, 2012 Can we please keep this thread to discuss graduate destinations and if you would like to carry on the discussion about the pros and cons of Tring Park's ballet programme, please start a new thread. I could move them myself but I'd rather not as some of the comments have covered more than just this point and the whole thing will get confusing Dancedizzy - I know what you're saying - but as I've said before I'd like this thread to stay as discussion about where the graduates have gone rather than the discussion around the training at the schools. This makes is easier for people to find the info they're after. Please start a new thread if you would like to continue the discussion about the pros and cons of the ballet training at Tring Park or any other school. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfbrew Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 If we are discussing graduates destinations, we need to take into consideration that there are many different types of contract out there. A friend whose dd graduated from RBS and gained a full corps de ballet contract told me the following. In previous years the contracts RBS students gained were all for full corps de ballet contracts, but last year many were only apprenticeships or 2nd company positions. Apprenticeships used to be paid positions, salary a bit lower than corps. There are also some 2nd companies that are paid positions just encompassing a younger age group than the main company. However in the USA, and now this is happening in Europe too, these apprenticeships and 2nd company positions are like the unpaid internships in other walks of life. Traditionally in Europe contracts were for a full year with options to renew. Now there are many that are short term - ENB augments its company with contracts for a few weeks when it is performing at the Albert Hall. In one of the recent documentaries some of the girls were highlighted - beautiful dancers who were having difficulty finding another job. Angel Corella's ballet company did the same last year, short term contracts for a production of Swan Lake. The difficulty with these short term contracts is how the dancers can keep their standard up when not employed. Hence my comments about dancers returning to Tring to continue training after their tour with BTUK finished. That solution can only work for a short time. Hopefully they will then go on to longer contracts elsewhere. In the contemporary world there are a few companies in UK, but the majority of work is for specific projects. Even Matthew Bourne says he does not "run a company" as he auditions and employs dancers for roles in specific productions. The dancers that returned to Tring last year were actually apprentices- Tring very generously allowed them to go and get this wonderful experience whilst still training. They then, like everyone else had to formally audition for full contracts and those successful have been extremely busy since September and have probably spent at best two weeks in total back at school -and then largely to fulfil commitments made prior to accepting the contract. My DS successfully auditioned in February and is already talking about the future productions lined up- he really has been very fortunate. Whats wonderful is that Tring are very happy for "their" dancers to continue class with them when not touring thus helping keep up fitness. Yes the contracts are short term but this is actually allowing flexibility to look for other work or persue other interests such as teaching which suits my DS down to the ground. But excellent points all the same pas de quatre - in todays world young students still training need to understand that most jobs will not be for longer than 1 year and terms and conditions will vary from company to company. As Julie has already said , it makes the achievement of so many graduates so far from all the British institutes that much more impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancerbabe82 Posted April 4, 2012 Share Posted April 4, 2012 Someone mentioned the ENBS graduates in the company at the moment - The choreographer George Williamson (who did the Firebird with Ksenia Osvyanick) was also a student at ENBS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted May 7, 2012 Author Share Posted May 7, 2012 An update from the Elmhurst website (I didn't have the official info for last year's graduates at the start of this thread): Graduate year students are already finding employment (2012): Anna Monleon - Birmingham Royal Ballet Olivia Holland - Royal Ballet of Flanders (Two other girls have already started contracts with classical companies, but as they haven't been announced on the website I won't put them here. And many now have contracts lined up to start from August - announcements will come at the end of the school year.) Students who graduated in 2011 went on to study further or found employment as follows: Orazio Di Bella - Slovak National Theatre Jack Henry - Disney Scarlet Hollands - Bratislava Ballet Yamato Mashiko - K-Ballet, Japan Lawrence Massie - Vanemuine Theatre, Estonia Lauren McCarron - Dortmund Ballet Shaun McLaughlin - Croatia Giulia Montesello - Vanemuine Theatre, Estonia Abigail Prudames - Northern Ballet Theatre Apprentice Sophie Rance - Vanemuine Theatre, Estonia Keith Reynolds - Vanemuine Theatre, Estonia Ben Roomes - Vanemuine Theatre, Estonia Charlotte Davies – Disney Park Lauren Rhodes - Disney Park And am delighted to add that Nicol Edmonds, who graduated in 2010 and went to Finnish National Ballet has now been offered a contract with The Royal Ballet and starts later this year 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primrose Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 Can I just ask Juliew is that all the students from 2011. 14 students graduating doesnt sound very many in one year of both girls and boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted May 8, 2012 Author Share Posted May 8, 2012 I know it was a very small year group - but I'll look out the show programme and count the photos! Back later..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Wow, does Elmhurst have a special relationship with Vanemuine Theatre, Estonia?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted May 8, 2012 Author Share Posted May 8, 2012 Can't find it at the moment, but I think there were only that number of students (possibly one or two more at most). Oh - and don't forget that Lewis Turner was in that year, but left a year early to take up his PDL prize with BRB. Not sure what's going on with Vanemuine, but as my son and one of the girls start their contracts there in the summer I'm delighted that the AD seems to like the Elmhurst students . A couple of his best friends who left last year are already there, so he's looking forward to joining them. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 Forgot to tell everyone that Nicol Edmonds, who went to Finnish National Ballet from Elmhurst in 2010, will be starting at the Royal Ballet very shortly http://www.elmhurstdance.co.uk/Graduate-employment.html Things have moved on quite a lot since then - I'll try to get these right: Corey Annand - Tivoli Dance Company, Denmark Lydia Arnoux - Ballet Cymru, Wales Giulia Bellotti - Moravian-Silesian Theatre Ballet, Czech Republic Zoe Epstein - Romanian National Ballet (3 month contract) Miles Gilliver - Singapore Dance Theatre Adam Harris - Moravian-Silesian Theatre Ballet, Czech Republic Olivia Holland - Royal Ballet of Flanders, Belgium - and now starting at Northern Ballet Daisy Hulbert - Moravian-Silesian Theatre Ballet, Czech Republic Anna Monleon - Birmingham Royal Ballet Emma Price - Vanemuine Ballet Theatre, Estonia Joseph Taylor - Northern Ballet Takeshi Watanabe - Polish National Ballet (I think - will check!) Josh Woodhams - Vanemuine Ballet Theatre, Estonia All the boys have contracts, some of the girls are returning to Elmhurst next year - due to starting at the school late, or due to injury, or to take classes while they carry on auditioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 And I know this has been posted elsewhere - but just to keep everything together, here are the Royal Ballet School graduate contracts for 2012: Atlantic City Ballet Romain di Fazio Ballet de l’Opéra de Paris Axel Alvarez Ballet de l’Opéra National de Bordeaux Evangeline Ball, Takaaki Okajima Ballet du Capitole de Toulouse Matthew Astley Bavarian State Ballet 2 Marta Navarrete Villalba, Jonah Cook, Sebastian Goffin Berlin Ballet 2 Jordan Mullin Birmingham Royal Ballet Laura Day, Reina Fuchigami, Lachlan Monaghan Dutch National Ballet Skyler Martin English National Ballet Teo Dubreuil Hong Kong Ballet Ellen Elphick, Solomon Golding Karlsruhe State Theatre of Baden Louis-Joseph Bray Lithuanian National Ballet Isaac Evans National Ballet of Portugal Melissa Parsons Northern Ballet Mariana Rodrigues, Sean Bates, Isaac Lee-Baker Polish National Ballet Lynsey Sutherland, Kenneth Dwigans The Royal Ballet Tierney Heap, Mayara Magri, Donald Thorn Vienna State Opera Ballet Nina Tonoli, Tristan Ridel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted July 31, 2012 Author Share Posted July 31, 2012 No news yet on either ENBS or Central websites about their graduate contracts - can anyone fill us in? (I know a couple but that's it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Found this on the Central website (but ENBS are still only showing their 2010/11 graduates): The School's 2012 graduates now have contracts with the following companies: Chris Aguis Darmanin - Phoenix Dance Theatre (apprentice) Carlos Ibanez De Le Cadiniere - Cape Town City Ballet Max Maslen - Birmingham Royal Ballet Yukiko Matsumoto - K Ballet, Tokyo (apprentice) Lucy Monaghan - Moulin Rouge, Paris Kyle Murray - Scottish Ballet, The Nutcracker production Anton Rosenberg - Bern Ballet, Switzerland (apprentice) Sumire Takimoto - K Ballet, Tokyo (apprentice) Ellie Waite - Phantom of the Opera, worldwide tour Jacob Wye - Ballet Black (apprentice) Carmen Vazquez Marfil - Phoenix Dance Theatre (apprentice) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There's a lot of apprentices on there - is this becoming more common? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balletla Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Julie, are you sure you are looking on the new website? It's not the most user friendly but the 2012 graduate contracts are under 'Course' and then 'Alumni' but not under 'Alumni' on the main headings: http://www.enbschool.org.uk/course/ Edited to say: I tried to cut and paste but it loses all formatting - sorry. Someone else may do a better job than me Edited November 12, 2012 by Ribbons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie 2 Milner Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Yes many companies are doing apprentiships or have junior companies. Munich, Zurich and others have junior companies. Apprentiships and junior companies are brilliant as they ease the young bodies in. A step towards full, arduous company life. But beware not all apprentiships are equal. It should not be an excuse not to pay at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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