meadowblythe Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Anyone know anything of the destination of students from the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Can't get the ENBS details to copy over properly so you'll just have to click on the link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Living the Dream Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I hope this works ok !!!!!!  ENBS - Graduate Contracts 2012  Tess Buck - Estonian National Ballet Jessica Cohen - Northern Ballet Mami Fujii - Opera National de Bordeaux Serena Green - National Theatre Ballet Brno Alana Griffith - Nevada Ballet Theatre Min Yi Kwok - Singapore Ballet Theatre Miki Mizutani - Birmingham Royal Ballet Maria Munoz Sabater - Semperoper Ballett, Dresden Beatrice Parma - Turkish State Opera and Ballet Claire Souet - National Theatre Ballet Brno  Eneko Amoros Zaragoza - Estonian National Ballet Matteo Di Loreto - Estonian National Ballet Daniel Martinez - New York Dance Theatre Rimbaud Patron - Scottish Ballet Kevin Poeung - Northern Ballet Vincent Tapia - National Theatre Ballet Brno   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Well done LTD - I thought I'd cracked it by copying it into a table in Word first, but when I put in in a reply it went everywhere again!! Then I ran out of time before going back to work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Found this the other day on Royal Conservatoire of Scotland's website under "Overview". Their BA programme started in 2009. "Our first cohort of students is about to graduate, with several going straight into the profession with contracts from the likes of the Vienna Festival Ballet, the National Theatre of Scotland, and Northern Ballet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Anyone know anything of the destination of students from the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland? Â You've probably already looked at the website - and all they've said is this (hopefully someone with have some "inside information" for us): Â Graduate Destinations The programme aims to provide the professional skills and network of contacts needed by graduates to embark on a professional dance career. Graduates from the Royal Conservatoire are working all over the world in a huge variety of careers, and over 90% of students are in employment or further training within six months of graduation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 They've had this on their site for some time now - certainly before this year, which is when they had the first batch of ballet graduates, so I've taken it to be for the Conservatoire in general, not specifically the "Modern Ballet" BA course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeliB Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Interesting to note that Chase O'Connell who went from RBS to Paris Opera (in the 2011 RBS list of graduates) actually trained for as many years at Kirov Academy in Washington as he did at RBS. I only happen to know about this particular young man because DS noticed me reading the RBS list and said Chase was actually a Kirov graduate. It just shows that listing graduate contracts doesn't tell the whole story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfbrew Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 (edited) You are right. And sometimes graduates leave to go elsewhere or re train, others stay another year if they havn't been able to find a job. Many times or example the RBS have claimed 100 employment but this isn't the complete picture And yes, some students are only there for a matter of months before getting contracts. Â I believe all the schools have pretty much the same success rate in this very tough job market and the standard of the graduates is high accross the board but there are a variety of reasons as to why they don't all find employment which should not be seen as a reflection on themselves or the schools. It really is tough out there. Edited November 14, 2012 by hfbrew 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lottie Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Also from RBS Graduates 2011 list, I know of one young man that was only at RBS for the third year but origianlly trained in Madrid at the Real Conservatorio Profesional de Danza Mariemma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 It used to be that Northern Ballet would always take one (sometimes even two) graduates from Central on....now it seems that they're "shopping" at ENBS and other schools. I wonder why that is? A historical link that has fallen by the wayside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Cannot be sure of this information but I have been told that RBS students do not actually 'graduate' until they have managed to secure a contract. This would make sense of the 100% employment rate. As has been mentioned previously many of the contracts new graduates gain (from all the schools not just Royal) are short-term or only for a certain production as well as the apprentice positions which at least Central is honest enough to state as such. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileen Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I note that ENB has not taken any students from ENBS this year, which I don't think happens very often There could be different reasons for this. I do know that ENB took on a couple of new artists this September but they may not have been new graduates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primrose Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I notice that there are many foreign names amongst the graduates which concerns me as there are so many very talented British dancers out there that do not appear to be on the graduation lists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Primrose - I have always noticed lots of international students on the ENBS lists - one of the reasons why we chose Elmhurst (don't tell me off, just a personal preference!) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balletla Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yes I always think the name "English' national ballet and school is a bit of a misnomer given that most of the students and dancers are from abroad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileen Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Ribbons, you could say the same thing about the RB and the RBS. Regarding ENBS, I think that you have to take into account that it only has an upper school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileen Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Just to add, there are very, very few young British RBS trained dancers in the Royal Ballet. I can only think of Yasmine Naghdi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balletla Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Ribbons, you could say the same thing about the RB and the RBS. Regarding ENBS, I think that you have to take into account that it only has an upper school. Â Yes I know, but they don't call themselves 'english national'. I just find the irony mildly amusing but maybe it's just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yes, Spanner, the link was the late Christopher Gable. Although his wife (widow) still teaches at Central it does seem the link is not as strong as it used to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambleton Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I heard that the ENB company (who I like very much) are known by some in the business as Everyone's Not British lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 But why aren't they taking British dancers whom they have thought were talented enough to get into their upper school and not take hardly any. Is it simply that students from abroad are more talented or could there be other reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Living the Dream Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Currently at ENBS first year there are 6 British girls and 6 International girls. Currently at RBS first year Upper School there are 5 British girls and 10 International girls. The way I look at it is in 3 years time so many students around the World will be trying to get contracts, so you might as well see what your competition is before you get to that stage and it just goes to show how fantastic the training is here in the UK for the International students to want to come. Obviously this is purely my opinion. LTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tutoo2much Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I have a feeling the foreign girls are better for whatever reason. I imagine a lot of them will be the best in their counrty too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allegro11 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Most of international student at RBS and ENBS..are well trained before arriving in UK......They are coming here just to use schools name to get a job..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primrose Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Most of international student at RBS and ENBS..are well trained before arriving in UK......They are coming here just to use schools name to get a job..... Â I have heard the same said about the Bolshoi School, a lot of foreign students are coming to the school so they can add this to their CVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfbrew Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Primrose - I have always noticed lots of international students on the ENBS lists - one of the reasons why we chose Elmhurst (don't tell me off, just a personal preference!) Definately true, There have always been lots of international students at ENBS. Same is true of RBS Upper school but they do seem to have more British students actually graduating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfbrew Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) Just to add, there are very, very few young British RBS trained dancers in the Royal Ballet. I can only think of Yasmine Naghdi. Well I can think of at least half a dozen straight away, including for example Ruth Bailey , Francesca Hayward, Tierney Heap and the wonderful James Hay. And thats before looking at the list of current dancers! Incidently some of the international dancers (Laura Morera for example) did actually train at both lower and upper school. Edited November 15, 2012 by hfbrew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I am not disputing the training in Great Britain is not one of the best, just wondering why they take so many students from outside their own upper schools? Why take these students with their wonderful potential and not use them.I for one would love to see them in a company performance. I am also sure that I would be just as happy to see a majority of our own students as apposed to the ones from abroad or would I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalma Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 (edited) My question is: why would you assume someone is not British because of their name? You might be able to guess their ancestry or cultural background although you might not be right in your guess. However, it's not clear to me how you can know what passport someone holds or where they grew up or really much at all about them by their name alone even if it you think it is a "foreign" name. (I'm not addressing the merits of admitting international students or not - just saying that it seems a bit presumptuous to characterize people based on their names.) Edited November 15, 2012 by Natalma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balletla Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 My question is: why would you assume someone is not British because of their name? You might be able to guess their ancestry or cultural background although you might not be right in your guess. However, it's not clear to me how you can know what passport someone holds or where they grew up or really much at all about them by their name alone even if it you think it is a "foreign" name. (I'm not addressing the merits of admitting international students or not - just saying that it seems a bit presumptuous to characterize people based on their names.) Â There is no suggestion that any assumptions about people's nationalities, British or otherwise, are made on the basis of name and I am insulted that you think that i might be so ignorant of British culture and heritage! Equally, many dancers from abroad do not have 'foreign' sounding names as you put it! e.g. some from America or Australia may have very British-sounding names. Â All comments on dancers are made on the basis of knowledge e.g. all companies have biographies that clearly state where dancers are from and where they have trained and many of us have dancers at the schools and know which students are British and which have come from other countries. Â We are talking about whether schools/companies take British or foreign students, regardless of what their names sound like!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primrose Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 You can check the names of the dancers through company websites and it usually states where the person is from/trained. I would prefer and this is my own opinion that the greater majority of pupils should be born in Britain. I am sure there are schools around the world where they will only take their own nationalities. I understand that companies will want the best dancers from all over the world and I have no problem with this, however I do think our schools should be training our own dancers first. I know I may sound like I have a cheek as my own dd trains abroad, but again thats because its one of the best schools in the world and she was accepted so of course like many students coming into Britain we had to take advantage of that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybeans Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I suspect that many overseas students offered places at RBS and possibly other British schools see it as one of the best schools in the world and feel they have to take advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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