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Hello,Sorry don`t know how to provide the link for people. There is a website called change .org where ,if people want to,they can sign a petition forcing Secretary of State for Work and Pensions ,Ian Duncan-Smith,to live on £53 a week,for the next 12 months. He recently claimed he could live quite easily on this amount of money,no problem. So let him put his money where his mouth is,if he thinks it is so easy. !!!!

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Come on Dunc, put your money where your mouth is.

 

There have been few politicians more lacking in empathy and compassion than this one.

 

Thanks Janet and The Quays, more than happy to sign this.

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Thanks,Folks. Not that any of it will make much difference,sadly. Was trying to imagine what it must  be like living on Unemployment Benefit,or whatever it`s called. Can you imagine if,God forbid,any of us were made redundant and had to survive [with a family] on £53 a week? My electricity alone costs me £20 a week.!

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Was trying to imagine what it must  be like living on Unemployment Benefit,or whatever it`s called. Can you imagine if,God forbid,any of us were made redundant and had to survive [with a family] on £53 a week? My electricity alone costs me £20 a week.!

 

Some of us were.  And it's called Jobseeker's Allowance now, and is probably getting up towards the £70 per week level by now.  Plus, of course, they no longer cover the costs of your mortgage, if you have one, so ... well, you do the maths.  I don't imagine a lot of people have mortgages of less than £280 per month in this day and age, and when you start adding to that the mere cost of eating, heating and other necessities ...

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When you take off our Council Tax, and gas & electricity, this would leave us with the princely sum of zero a week to live on.

 

Then we have to pay for food, clothes, buildings & contents insurance, water rates, telephone, vet bills, the list goes on and on - and don't get me started on the cost of running a car in order to even get to work...

 

This idiotic man is an utter disgrace and hasn't a clue what it's like living in the real world. :angry:

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We were only just keeping our heads above water as it was - now I'm not sure what's going to happen. I can't even sign on, as I was (and technically still am) self-employed, which means I'm not actually entitled to anything.

 

 

 

 

That's awful. Enough to turn anyone against hectoring politicians.

 

Hectoring I can take - it's pontificating I have trouble with - especially when it comes from someone who can easily afford to spend £53 on his lunch!

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Hi.  I think it is very important to REALLY understand the country that we live in.  You see that I have lived in four countries and cultures and so I am in the enviable position to understand what I am talking about.

 

Every country has its "cash cow".  Qatar has gas, and the Emir of Qatar shares this with his people.  In practice, it works like this: if a Qatari can put the interest only repayment on a mortgage in London for two or three years, the Emir comes and pays the rest with public funds.

 

Now ask yourself "what is the cash cow of Britain?"  That answer is simple.  It is called the invisible profits of the City of London.  But how does that work and why?  If you compare this culture, the British culture to ALL other cultures you find that everyone else in the world, those who are successful, people with more that 100,000 GBP or USD in a bank, they move the money to London.  They do this because the biggest problem of the guy with money is how to avoid losing it.  And what happens in London is that we take 1/2 percent of that money and the punter is glad to lose that because he knows that the money is safe with us.

 

Now ask yourself "why is the culture of Britain such that people will trust us with their savings?"  here are the two CULTURAL answers:

(1) The Anglo-saxon (and juttish and viking) peoples were too far north to have been influenced by the Roman Empire.  The Roman Empire (as the Greek city states before it, and Carthage and all the rest) was a CITY EMPIRE.  Quite literally, as in the movie "300", your city had your Gods, your ancestors, your forebearers, and you fought TILL DEATH for your city.  Such a culture is one where individual rights quite often are subservient to those of the state.  You see this in present day Argentina.  At any moment the goverment can decide to steal people's savings and pensions.  The culture is such that even the most liberal person in the culture accepts that this must sometime be so: the individual must be sacrificed for the good/"benefit" of the state.  Consider now the Germans, they too were partly Romanized but they took it to an extreme.  They had three Reichs: 1st, 2nd and 3rd (Charlemagne Holy Roman Emperor; Bismark; and Hitler). All were verticalist movements following a leader and with the concept of the state above the people.  To a certain extent France is the same in spite of the French revolution, consider also that the name France comes from Charlemagne's Germans, the Frank tribe.  So this is the first reason that the rich of the world (in a western context) will stick their savings in the UK.

(2) Queen Victoria was faced with a dilemma. Britain ruled one third of the world but there were too few Brits relatively speaking to administer such an empire.  So she brain washed the youngsters at Public Schools for 50 years into the Patrician values of "not lying".  At Gordonstoun school Mr Fitzgibbon would ask a boy who lied to "walk to Elgin" but with instructions to all other kids "not to check".  So it was perfectly possible for the boy to skip the walk hiding in his room but that meant lying again and eventually his mind could not take it.  Such was the brain washing applied.  Over the decades it filtered down to the working classes whose fiddles are so so minor compared to the corruption stories of Brazil, China, South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, even Japan.  We live in a culture that might kick a bloke to death but if his wallet should fall out, at least a gang of native white British kids would say "dont take it cause that would be stealing!" So it is OK to kick a kid to death but it is wrong to steal his wallet.

 

In conclusion.  The invisible profits of the city of London are EASY pickings for those who work there.  They are kidding us when they say that they sweat for their salaries: NOT SO.  They might as well do nothing and the tsunami of money that comes in would keep coming and 1/2 percent of it as a fee is a HUGE FEE, an obscene amount of money.  Think of the 11 quid you pay every time you buy or sell shares on the lloyds share dealing programme?!!!

 

Someone should tell Ian Duncan Smith that this money belongs to all of the British people and that we are not a country like the United States.  We are more of a country like Qatar.

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This which I relate is both fortunate but also sad.  Why is it sad?  The most rewarding jobs are the creative jobs, and the most creative of jobs will reside in science and engineering.  For example, say we have a person who disagrees with me and who lives for the "human story", i.e., a person who loves psychology or sociology.  Let me point out to them that back in the days of the pyramids, people were people and they all had the same problems and so essentially (other than for Sigmund Freud and the new Neuropsychoanalysis both of which in pure form are sciences not art) these artsy subjects cannot advance the state of play.

 

Consider that the mobile phone in your pocket is a wonder of technology.

Now owing to our "easy life" in honest Britain, and people from all over the world throwing all kinds of money into the City, buying up all of our land to make our third rate houses (compared say to a Scandinavian home) so so bloody extortionately expensive, owing to this "go to work, charge the 1/2 percent" we are ROBBING the young, and the young at heart, of the opportunity of making a living in a rewarding professional technical endeavour.  I saw a programme the other day of a young japanese who emulated Pierre Currie and through trial and error managed to achieve the first piezoelectric clock, the smallest one in the world, for a chip.  He did this in a firm.  20 years later he was CEO of the firm!!!  tears came to my eyes.

 

In the UK the FTSE 100 are not real firms.  Essentially, these are quangos that go to the stock market in London, this miraculous source of world savings and cash, and buy firms all over the world and call themselves a "firm".  Essentially, for a while they buy firms and make them "efficient" lowering costs, sell them and take a fortune, and shortly after those companies devoid of any innovation or brain power simply collapse or are reduced to a low take firm.

 

The Germans do no operate in this way.  Most of their firms are owned by families.  It is called the Mittelstadt.  They do not go to any stock market to get investment money. Usually, the system encourages reserves and savings.  When they need to innovate they go take a few million from the bank.  Many are owned by banks.

 

In the Far East companies own banks and countries. Samsung is 1/3 of the GDP of South Korea.  If you go into a Korean firm there is ZERO OUTSOURCING.  A Korean firm such as LG does not just make screens, they make chemicals, they make batteries, they make fuel cells, anything you can imagine. I walked into one firm Cuchen, they made kitchen cookers AND massage chairs!!!  On the third floor of the factory in Incheon they have a banner that reads RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT and the guys working there are Koreans with PhDs in engineering from Stanford.  They are extremely well paid.

 

In this country our "financial success" is robbing a future, an interesting career and future, from our kids.  We live BANAL lives. We are not moving the world forwards in any way.  We are concerned with the human and the vulgar.  We are concerned simply with money, with the image of David Beckham and with the service culture of Waitrose.

 

It is all rather unfortunate!!!  And the government talks a good shop but they are just biding their time until world trade picks up and London will become extremely rich again.  Such parasites as Cameron, Clegg, Gordon Brown, and people from all walks of politics with their Classics and History and PPE degrees are simply that: parasites.  We are a nation of so called "managers" and people working in the noisy open plan, with no power to concentrate to create any product or advance.  It is sad but it is true.

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What do you mean when you say "we are concerned with the human and the vulgar" have you deliberately put these words together?

Eg: humanity and vulgarity go together?

 

And just WHO is concerned simply with money and the image of David Beckham.......certainly not me!

My only concern with money even is to make sure I actually have enough to live on and not to waste what I do manage to save......though I can admit still have NO stocks and shares!! Though for the first time in my life may be considering this as the savings I do have are decreasingly rapidly!!

I'm not bright enough to understand if this decrease in the value of money for the average Jo is anything to do with the "invisible City profits" scenario(from your first post) or not.....I am not that good on economics as it seems so complicated.

 

When I was investigating whether or not to invest a few months back I wanted to be a very ethical investor HOWEVER I discovered that to be a truly ETHICAL investor you already have to be loaded!! Because everything is high risk in this area and I don't have enough to risk losing ALL my money. I did not act then and left feeling very disappointed with this bit of reality.

 

Your posts are very far reaching and a lot to take in but particularly in the second post am not sure what you are trying to say! What do you mean by we live "banal" lives....in what sense.....as I don't consider mine to be!!

 

To some extent one has to manoeuvre within the system we have. It's up to much younger people now to get together to create any new system(I am a youngish probably going on 20 something OAP)......is this what you are meaning?

Each Country has its own timespan within its development potential as I see it and its impossible to compare the culture within Korea with UK! There are ups and downs with imaginative thinking, working conditions, working rights, management rights all the time and its not a straight line most are travelling on.

 

Anyway I think this thread was originally started before I joined or before I discovered the fantastic breadth of this Forum ....but I would have signed that petition if I had seen it.

Perhaps Mr Duncan Smith could have survived on £53 or whatever for ONE week but not day in and day out.

 

It's strange isn't it that I have a friend who teaches violin and piano in London. The people she can least rely on to pay her on time are the people living in some of the richest houses in Hampstead!!! They don't seem to realise she actually has to LIVE on this money. Now that's being "out of touch"

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Well showing my Internet lack of savvy here!! Especially as this is the only Forum I post messages on.

 

Have just looked up current meaning of "troll"

 

So looks like Ive been had!!!

Thanks for the warning then bbb :)

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