Jump to content

Different methods differences between russian and other?


2peas
 Share

Recommended Posts

HI everyone,

I'm new here and have found so much info just reading all the posts. I'm looking at all the different ballet methods and wondering if one would suit my dd more - she's currently doing RAD grades. Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between all the methods? I googled russian method and it came up with 2 styles vaganova and legat? What's the difference? Also what's the difference between the russian method and the others? Also the cecchetti method? I would love to know more about the differences between them all.

thanks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You beat me to it, taxi, welcome 2peas! :-)

 

I can't help with the differences (my dd only does RAD and non-syllabus) but we do have a book called "The Ballet Companion" by Eliza Gaynor Minden. As well as being a gorgeous book with everything ballet-related, it has illustrations of the different ballet positions with notes on the various styles, as well as a section on each different style.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Let me try to answer in a general way some of your questions.

 

There are several styles of ballet. The Russian styles have two major branches. The Vaganova method is connected with the Mariinsky Ballet (St.Petersburg) and is precise, flowing and generally emotionally understated. The Bolshoi (Moscow) is very dynnamic - large movement - overflowing with emotion.

 

The French tend to be precise but also detailed, flowing and nuanced.

 

The Danish are inheritors of Bournonville. They, too, are precise, smaller gentler movement but very quick.

 

Balanchine is quick, often exploring the music and the possibilities of making new shapes out of established structure.

 

There are also several major ballet syllabi.

 

RAD and Cecchetti are cousins - both have structured graded steps and exams. They tend to be precise and emotinally understated. There are other sylllabi such as ISTD.

 

Each of these different schools/styles/structures has a system of numbering the arabesques, counting walls and corners, placing and numbering of the head, arms, body positions - and even feet.

 

Then there are those of us (like me) who teach no systematized method at all - often by choice. I had teachers from almost all the different styles and schools and chose to structure my class day by day according to who was in class and what i felt they needed on that particular day.

 

The above information is very general and just my opinion.

 

Each style/method has its merits and lacks. I don't think that any one method, style or teacher is sufficient. Each has something to offer and each needs to be seen as one of many avenues. A well rounded dancer - after the basics are well establshed should taste the many wonderful buffets in the ballet emporium.

 

The above is just a personal opinion.

  • Like 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the welcomes!

Thanks Anjuli Bai for the explaination of the styles, just from the words that you've used to describe them with I would say that my dd would like the Bolshoi style - as she likes lots of emotion and dynamic movement!

I will have to look into the russian style - although she's only about to turn 9 so might be more for the future.

thanks,.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And I now understand why my son has always said that Bolshoi style of teaching wouldn't suit him - he's definitely not "overflowing with emotion" when he dances - definitely a more Vaganova styled dancer :)

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

My dd's friend does Cecchetti, and she says that the arms are very different, and much more in the Russian style.

 

Enrico Cecchetti was an Italian dancer who went to Russia - St.Petersburg - where he became a huge star with the Mariinsky. After that he became a very famous teacher of the best Russian dancers such as Anna Pavlova and Vaslav Nijinski.

 

So, you could say that those "Russian arms" are really Italian arms!

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi there, the Checetti syllabus is actually a faculty of the ISTD not RAD, here is a link to their website with info on the syllabus and where it comes from if your intrested :) I studied it briefly and it's a lovely syllabus, very dancey with intricate port de bras.

 

http://www.istd.org/cecchetti-classical-ballet/

 

ISTD have a second faculty called ISTD imperial classical ballet, this originated from the french method of the Paris Opera. Link below to the imperial ballet site.

 

http://www.istd.org/imperial-classical-ballet/

 

Also if you're interested guys there's videos of the vagonova ballet academy's different grades, the dancers are stunning!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DuWgmbEm48

 

And here! Amazing

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T1ABwt-KN6w

Edited by Lula-belle
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I dont really know what the differences are< but the Russian method suits Heather and always has done. Its not just the dancing either its being taught the Russian way by Russian teachers. She enjoys the hands on approach as she feels that she learns more and which muscles she should be using.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I think that's vital Primrose, not least because hypermobile children can really struggle with propriorception. My dd has managed to come through her recent growth spurt thanks to her teacher realising that she needs to be completely hands-on with dd.

 

I feel sorry for teachers who fear that getting hands on will get them into trouble. :-(

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Have to agree with Primrose my DDs have only been doing Russian for just over a year and have much more understanding of their bodies since doing it,and my younger DD has really improved on her technique because everything is explained to her.Also they just love the discipline of Russian Ballet.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Unfortunately, that hands-on approach is not an option at some schools. When I taught in a privately owned school it was fine (and I prefer it). But when I taught at a college/university - it was absolutely forbidden. I had to learn to walk around the classroom with my hands clasped behind my back in case I forgot where I was.

 

Ballet has been taught for centuries from one hand to another - but we live in a different time now and it is not always possible.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

if anyone is interested in Bolshoi and what they look like in training ilyaballet has uploaded lots and lots of video on to youtube e.g.

is the 5th year boys.

 

Vaganova definitely suits my DS- he found English training (mainly I think RAD syllabus) very 'wet' (his words). Interestingly when I was trying to canvas opinion about sending him abroad several people said to me (including a male professional ballet dancer who had trained at WL) that the trouble with learning Russian was that you could only then dance in Russia and eastern Europe. I thought at the time this seemed unlikely but would be interested in other people's opinions.....

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

As for the question as to whether a Russian trained dancer can only dance in Russia or Eastern Europe - one need only look at the numbers of Russian trained dancers who are members of companies outside of Russia or Eastern Europe.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

well that's what I thought- but it was more than one person who said it- and I wondered maybe if those who do dance outside Russia are just the really amazingly top level soloists, whilst the 'rank and file' have too narrow a skill set to cross over into more European companies. It may sound daft to you experts- but I am so totally ignorant of the ballet world it's hard to know what's plausible and what isn't.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know many of the graduate Internationals at the Bolshoi have jobs all over the world. Its something that I am not concerned about at the moment. I still look on it as Heather following her dream and if a career comes out of it then thats fantastic. Ilya is a fantastic teacher and Heather is fortunate to be able to attend his classes.

  • Like 4
Link to comment
Share on other sites

My dd who is only 9 has only done vaganova.From what i have seen,i love the way they really condition the bodies and work alot on placement.They also work alot on feet,turnout and flexability.Not sure about other countries but here, even when my dd was 6 they were totally focused and you could see them really thinking about what they were doing,also very hands on and alot of dicipline, the classes are about 2 hours!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Primrose, I emailed The Bristol Russian Ballet school regarding their summer school and never received a reply. I assumed this was because my daughter is a little younger than their minimum age. She is fairly advanced in her grades so I wondered if they might consider her although she has not done any Russian ballet. Do you think its worth me trying to contact them again? Bristol is very convenient for us.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would contact them again as it is so unlike them not to reply. I would also telephone them. Yury and Chika are wonderful teachers and anyone would be very privileged to take class with them. Both are ex professonal dancers and really do know their stuff. I am sure that one of the priciple dancers from ENB will also be taking master classes as part of the summer school.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 9 months later...

Hi folks,

 

I'm resurrecting this old thread as I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who has recently moved.

 

Her dd has been doing the RAD syllabus and she is now 13 and in Grade 7 and Adv foundation. They are having trouble finding a new school locally that does enough RAD classes at her level, but there is one that does Russian (Legat I think).

 

We are wondering whether it would be possible for her dd to study both methods at the same time, or if the styles are so different it would cause problems with her technique.

 

Does anyone have any advice please!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hmm

 

Answer from my son, who has tried, is an emphatic "no."  It came to light during the Easter holidays.  He did two days of Russian, and then two days of "normal," and had a thoroughly miserable time on the first day of both styles as he needed to adjust.

 

He had seriously considered 6th form options so he could combine but reluctantly dropped the plan.

 

I know there are those on here who do combine though - perhaps they have different experiences. 

 

Russian ballet needs a huge amount of commitment, you really do have to subscribe wholeheartedly to that style (at least that's what he thought!)

 

meadowblythe

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My dd is 15 and does 2 RAD Adv 1 classes and 1 Advanced pointe class in one school per week and 2 Russian Advanced ballet and pointe (Vaganova) per week in another school plus 4 hours of Russian Ballet on alternate Sundays. She loves both but prefers the Russian style. At times she finds it confusing (RAD prefer arms a different way to Russian style for example) but on the whole she has found that the Russian style compliments her ballet. Hth.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

my DS didn't have any difficulty adjusting to RAD at RBS- he just didn't like it! interestingly, having been very anti-Balanchine previously (he maintained he would be rubbish at it) he is now doing a Balanchine ballet for a performance, being taught by John Clifford who danced with Balanchine himself, and is loving it. So perhaps the ability to adjust to different styles is partly to do with dance maturity?

Out of interest Taxi4ballet do you mean Legat at St Bede's? If so, and this means your friend is anywhere near Brighton I can wholeheartedly recommend DS's Vaganova teacher who is Brighton based (after 18 months of teaching DS once or twice a week he was accepted into Kirov Washington on a full scholarship.....)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I didn't think RBS taught RAD except for exam classes which enable students to enter for the Phyllis Bedells and Adeline Genee awards? I had understood that they taught their own method (although I'm pretty sure they used to be Cecchetti based at one time).

 

I suppose that as you say CeliB, with maturity and experience it becomes easier to adjust to different styles. I think Anjuli has said previously that it is best not to 'mix methods' in the early years of study to avoid confusion but that experienced dancers can switch between styles with relative ease.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...