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Ah, then we were talking at cross purposes.  I was only referring to the commentators this Wimbledon, who didn't really seem to think of him as a challenger until more or less the time he beat Murray.  And then suddenly elevated him to "Obvious winner" status :(  Edberg certainly has done wonders for his game, but a lot of Federer's poor performance in 2013 was down to ongoing back problems and/or lack of confidence caused by his inability to rely on his body not letting him down.

 

It's really quite amazing (I don't use that word very often) what confidence can do not only in sport but in all walks of life. The drawback to this is when one lacks confidence, even if oozing in ability, it can be a nightmare to overcome. It usually kicks in when you have to up your game to succeed, just like a lot of children dancers do when they audition.

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"boring/So much less variety": I take it you didn't see the Federer masterclass on Friday, then? :)

 

I'm a little bemused about the "play shall be continuous" comment, if you're suggesting that adverts are being inserted between points?  I know the US is worse than the UK on this front, but over here we've just had the French Open on ITV, i.e. a commercial channel.  I have a "60-second skip" button on my recorder, which I was using to skip the majority of the advert breaks at change of ends, and from that I'd say that the allotted 90 seconds were largely being kept to.  IIRC, the only time we missed any play was when the broadcasters decided to update us on what was happening on other courts rather than return to the match.

 

But the deeper I get into both ballet and tennis, the more parallels I'm finding between the two of them.

Nope, I didn't see the Federer masterclass, I was watching golf. :) Although I must say that Federer is one of the only players I can really stand to watch these days. I pretty much gave up on women's tennis when Steffi Graf retired.

 

Regarding the "play shall be continuous" comment, I was thinking about back in the 1960s and 1970s when players in the major tournaments weren't provided with chairs for a nice little two-minute sit-down whenever they were changing ends; they did stop and towel off and have a quick drink as they changed ends, but that was all. But nowadays they get to sit down and have a little rest so that the TV audience can be regaled with adverts after every couple of games.

 

I think this is one reason why football (real football, which is called soccer over here) has never taken off in the USA - there's no real way to divide it up into bite-sized portions with ads every few minutes, so there isn't nearly as much scope for making money from TV broadcasts. I remember one rather amusing time when the TV station decided to go off to ads anyway, and missed the only goal in the whole match. Sort of poetic justice...

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I think tennis must be as subjective as dancing! Federer (and Nadal) bore the pants off me!!

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I understand where you're coming from sarah, it's just individual opinions, which I suppose we are all entitled to. It's also very interesting that Federer and Nadal both bore you, so I take it you're not a tennis lover then?

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I was supporting Djokovic (think Federer has more than enough ;-)  )

 

I think, Sunrise, you might end up regretting that.  After all, Djokovic is on 9 slams already, and with Federer pretty much out of the running, a big question mark over Nadal, Murray frankly being not as good as Djokovic in most respects at the moment, and it not being clear yet where the next generation or two's stars are coming from, he could easily have "more than enough" himself in a couple of years!

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Well I know Dustin Brown has been around for a while already but I hope he keeps his game together because the way he beat Nadal, I thought he was one of the most entertaining players I've ever seen ☺

 

I think the commentators were also putting Kyrgios as a future slam winner.

 

Did anyone else fall in love with Andy Roddick as well? I was not fan at all when he was playing, but he has such a super personality, I had no idea! Really hope he's back to commentate next year.

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I'm also not putting Federer out of the running for more slams. I thought in the final he had a day that was not bad, just not as good as his semi final or as good as the one Djokovic was having.

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I love watching tennis vonRothbart! I think the pleasure you get (or don't get) from watching individual players must be down to issues other than skill in part. I find Djokovic entertaining.

Really missing the tennis this week!

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I came across this lovely quote the other day which pretty much summarises why I don't find Djokovic entertaining: 

 

"He’s so efficient, so cautious, so good at choosing the precise moments at which to abandon that caution for devastating aggression, so quick, so flexible, so fit, and so strong that he almost takes the tennis out of tennis, like a computer that’s solved chess." http://grantland.com/the-triangle/deus-ex-machina-accepting-the-cyborg-ian-glory-of-novak-djokovic-at-wimbledon/

 

I have to admit that he's very effective, though.

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I am missing the tennis too. Still, US Open soon!

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Not if you're only on free-to-air telly.  Still, I've still got quite a bit of Queen's, Eastbourne and even the French Open still to get rid of from the hard drive.  That'll have to keep me going until the WTFinals in November.  Oh, and there's Davis Cup somewhere this weekend.  I think it's on the Red Button.  Don't know why.

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By the way, you'll notice I'm not using the standard abbreviation for the World Tour Finals.  Last time I did that on the BBC messageboards, I got an automatic slap on the wrist for using bad language, and had my post deleted.  I really *was* discussing tennis at the time!  I'm not sure whether the forum software contains any censoring programs, but thought I'd better not risk it :)

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How absurd of them, Alison. Someone has a dirty mouth!

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I thought Heather Watson played better than any British woman player has ever played. She was awesome. She pushed Serena Williams all the way. Serena Williams was very generous in her after match interview. Next year, Heather!

 

Well, I finally caught up with this tonight, and I have to say, what an excellent match!  It would have been well worthy of the final.

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Right now on Twitter,Serena Williams is Trending.You should see the magazine photos of her. Talk about supple.[For a tennis player anyway]. Wow.!!

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I think, Sunrise, you might end up regretting that.  After all, Djokovic is on 9 slams already, and with Federer pretty much out of the running, a big question mark over Nadal, Murray frankly being not as good as Djokovic in most respects at the moment, and it not being clear yet where the next generation or two's stars are coming from, he could easily have "more than enough" himself in a couple of years!

 

Anyone getting bored already? ;)

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Going to Wimbledon this year, Alison?

 

I have only just discovered this thread.  Where was everyone during the little tennis tournament last week?

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I usually do, Fonty.  Mind you, I think it took me 3 goes actually to get in last year: the queue's getting ridiculous.

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I've been out of the country for the past three years, but prior to that I have queued every year for a ground pass, and I think there was only one occasion when we weren't successful. However, we always picked a day when Andy Murray wasn't playing during the first week, , and we had to be in the queue no later than about 7.30am, as I recall.  The one year we failed to get in, we were delayed by about an hour because of a broken down tube train. 

 

I have my fingers firmly crossed that somebody beats Djokovic before the final. 

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7.30 was too late on one day last year, at least :(  And yes, I was trying to avoid Murray's side of the draw - not sure it made that much difference, despite Djokovic being on the other side.

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Last year there were tweets from Wimbledon that the queue was full by, IIRC, 0600.

 

I've given up queuing now but fondly remember the days when, with two queues, one could arrive at the shorter queue at 0630 in week 1 and get a centre court ticket!

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I've just checked with my other half, and he says we were usually there by 6.30am at the latest.  I must have blotted that out of the memory banks.  I've never tried to get in on the first day, though.  I usually go later in the week.

 

While it is terrific to know that people are so keen to get a ticket, there is no way I am prepared to camp over night.  . 

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Perhaps that's it: maybe most people went to the Southfields queue.  I always walked up from Wimbledon station, so possibly I was in the shorter queue?  It seems to me that the problem really started when they consolidated the two queues - although possibly that's also the time when Murraymania started to take hold. 

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While it is terrific to know that people are so keen to get a ticket, there is no way I am prepared to camp over night. 

 

Not only that, but there are people who physically *can't*, for reasons of disability, and the current queuing system doesn't make any allowance for them.  Sure, if you're in a wheelchair you can get one of the wheelchair day seats, but if you're ambulant disabled that doesn't apply.  Plus there are all the people who can't queue overnight simply because they have children to get off for school, or other care responsibilities.  And the trouble is that the overnight queue has now become a self-fulfilling prophecy: people believe they *have* to camp out, so they do, and then that means other people have to get into the queue earlier, and ...

 

I remember back in the days when school parties and the like would turn up maybe by 9.30 and get in :(

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Twice when I was at school in the late seventies a group from school travelled to Wimbledon from Hertfordshire, queued up and purchased ground passes. I don't think that we would have arrived before 10am and we may have arrived somewhat later as the journey would probably have taken at least a couple of hours. At that time, people with tickets for the show courts would just give you their tickets if they decided to go home before the end of play and so you could often get onto Centre and Number One Courts and see a couple of hours play. I actually live only a few stops away from Wimbledon on the Thameslink line but I can't face waiting in a queue from the crack of dawn. I have thought of turning up late afternoon one day in the first week. Has anyone tried this and got in or has the ground been closed because it's full?

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I actually tried to use the Thameslink line to get to Wimbledon last year, as one of the few ways I could theoretically get there early enough to get in the queue.  They cancelled the train - and the next one wasn't due for another 50 minutes or something because it was so early in the morning.  That was one of the days I didn't make it to the queue in time, and involved a hasty rescheduling of travel plans to get me down to somewhere on the tram system so I could get the tram into Wimbledon instead ...

 

I used to have a colleague who regularly used to go after work, but I asked him a year or two ago and he said he hadn't been recently.  Given how early the queue can close these days, and how many people stay on regardless, my guess is that even if you showed up you probably wouldn't get in because there'd be all those people already in front of you.  Plus, it seems to me that they tend to close play earlier these days, so the chance of actually getting to see anything much might be greatly reduced.

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I gather Rafa Nadal is out of Wimbledon due to illness and presumably, Sharapova due to her ban. I suppose that means we will be spared the underwear adjusting and even better, the screeching, screaming Maria. I really can't abide her noise.

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Nadal's absence is due to a serious wrist injury: he was informed he could snap the tendon if he didn't rest it.  And don't worry, there will still be other screech-owls in the women's draw :(

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Ah yes, that's right about Nadal. It's an injury not an illness. I have lost touch a bit with women's tennis, it seemed to have become very boring but there are some fresh names coming in now. No one screeches quite like Sharapova, but as you say there are some. Can you give me some names so I know to avoid them? I find it unbearably irritating and almost certainly unnecessary. I don't believe for a second they just can't help it. :angry:

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