Fonty Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 For those of you like myself who are still thoroughly bemused by the whole issue, listen to the short lecture by Professor Michael Dougan, a professor of European Law at Liverpool Uni. It is not my intention to start a political thread, but I hope everyone else who is voting this week finds it as interesting and informative as I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terpsichore Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 In the interest of balance here is a summary of the arguments on both sides presented calmly and courteously by Lord Howard QC and Martin Howe QC om behalf of "Leave" and Dominic Grieve MP QC and Joanne Cherry MP QC on behalf of "Remain". I may add that I know Martin Howe QC very well as he practises in my specialism and have the highest possible regard for him. Having said that, it does not mean that I share his views on every issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I have to say that I'm now heartily sick of the whole thing... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Well, since someone has started a thread on the subject, I'll just post what I've posted elsewhere, namely that if you want to check the facts supplied by either side for accuracy you can try either the BBC's factchecker website, the name of which escapes me at the moment, or www.fullfact.org/europe. Both are supposed to be impartial. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billboyd Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 A plague on all their houses. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The BBC Reality Check website mentioned by Alison is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35603388 The other one is here: https://fullfact.org/ Let me just say that, by its very nature at this time, this thread treads a very narrow line as regards our normal fairly restrictive view on political posting and it would not take much to require its closure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacqueline Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I would just say roll on Thursday June 23rd. Let the voting commence and I hope the result will be sufficiently conclusive to settle the matter one way or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I would just say roll on Thursday June 23rd. Let the voting commence and I hope the result will be sufficiently conclusive to settle the matter one way or the other. Roll on Friday more like! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) And for anyone who wants to be cheered up about the whole thing, here's John Oliver explaining it for the bemused American audience (be warned, there's a bit of X-rated stuff here, especially in the song at the end...): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8 This piece does come down fairly heavily on one side of the argument, so if the mods think it's inappropriate, feel free to delete. It's just that it's the first time in ages I've felt like raising a smile over the whole sorry business. And I see the YouTube link isn't embedding again - dunno why that keeps happening to me. Edited June 20, 2016 by Melody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Let me just say that, by its very nature at this time, this thread treads a very narrow line as regards our normal fairly restrictive view on political posting and it would not take much to require its closure. I was a bit nervous about posting for that reason, but I think the link I showed takes an academic view, not a political one? I would add that I have no interest in politics, and am certainly not posting as part of any campaign. Melody, I've also seen the John Oliver clip, and it is very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Here's hoping that I will soon be able to go back on Facebook again - at the moment my feed is entirely taken up by people posting all manner of clips, photos, opinions and the like (and it doesn't help that I have several members among my family and friends circle who have diametrically opposing views). I can't 'like' or comment on their posts because it will upset or offend the other lot, but I've a feeling that by not responding to any of it I'm in their bad books anyway. I can't win. Jokers to the left of me, jokers to the right... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Jokers to the left of me, jokers to the right... I used to love that track by Stealers Wheel! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddsballetmum Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I watched the EU referendum debate on the BBC last night with the initial expectation that each side would present their case with factual arguments, honesty and integrity in order to give the British public the ability to form a rational and informed argument. How stupid was I!!!! Just more of the same scaremongery and generalisations from both sides. God help those people who were unsure and looking for guidance. They must be even more confused. Roll on Friday!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon2 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I voted at the beginning of the month as had a postal vote and knew all along where I would be putting my X. All the campaigning and media coverage seems so infantile. I will be so pleased when the weeks worth of analysis is over post result and you can safely put on the TV or radio and get proper news. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harwel Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Roll on Friday indeed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The most thought-provoking thing I've read in the media lately was an article which suggested that the best question to ask yourself (if you are still undecided) is to imagine that we are not currently in the EU, and that the referendum was to decide whether or not we should join. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa O`Brien Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I personally can't see either result dramatically changing my life. Obviously others may have a lot to gain or lose. I get the impression the whole fishing industry is planning on voting Leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The most thought-provoking thing I've read in the media lately was an article which suggested that the best question to ask yourself (if you are still undecided) is to imagine that we are not currently in the EU, and that the referendum was to decide whether or not we should join. IIRC, that is on the LEAVE campaign literature. It's also not an ideal question to ask because in that situation you'd be aware of the reality of being outside the EU, trade agreements and all, and would be far better placed to make a judgement than we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 For anyone who is still undecided, there is a questionnaire on the "38degrees" website which checks your attitudes to the various EU-related issues and tells you whether, on balance, you are more IN or OUT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa O`Brien Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 There IS something I am deeply concerned about though. [i hope i'm allowed to say this and it isn't controversial, as I think it is hugely important]. The UK has a bi lateral agreement with France, whereby France houses and looks after the migrants at Calais. This is entirely separate to the EU. France has said that in the event of a Brexit that this agreement would end and the migrants currently living in Calais would all transfer to Dover. The UK would have to set up a camp for them all. Heard yesterday about the lorry drivers and the hassle they have to encounter on a daily basis. Some migrants were shouting **** the UK and were turning quite nasty. If the entire population of The Jungle were to move from Calais to Dover because of us leaving the EU I fear what might happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 I just wanted to make it quite clear that in my post No. 18 above I was in no way intending to suggest that taxi4ballet was deliberately trying to post anything in support of either side on the referendum, and hope that nobody else read it that way. I fully accept that she hadn't read the campaign literature containing the suggestion, and that the article to which she refers was a non-partisan one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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