DD Driver Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Across it's Social Media platforms The Royal Ballet School is displaying student art that celebrates: non gender binary, outside binary, partial genders, lack of gender... Ballet students across the world are seeing this. There is a very large number of vulnerable LGB youth amongst this demographic. Where is the messaging that they are perfect as they are? This kind of messaging seems wholly inappropriate to me! Why one viewpoint on gender ideology & not, for example, that of @LGBAlliance & @LGBFightBack ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD Driver Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 and also celebrates 'transitioning' in the pink/blue/white square. I am aware that this kind of medical intervention for adolescents is now in question at the UK Court of Appeal (Tavistock & Portman NHS Foundation Trust v. Keira Ball ). So surely it is not the role of RBS to promote a position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanangra Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Isn't it just a gesture of inclusivity? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD Driver Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Kanangra said: Isn't it just a gesture of inclusivity? It is not inclusive if it alienates some women and LGB people. - Gender critical people: The recent landmark Maya Forstater case means that people, in the workplace, can not be discriminated against for 'gender critical' beliefs i.e. believing that there are only 2 sexes and women are adult human females. - Some LGB people: People supporting the LGB Alliance & LGB Fight Back, believe that current gender ideologies are a threat to people whose sexual orientation is same or both sex. That these ideologies are confusing and dangerous to children. Certainly, you may not agree with these views but the one celebrated by RBS here are not 'inclusive' of people in the 2 groups above. Edited July 1, 2021 by DD Driver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanangra Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) I don't feel I know enough about it to agree or disagree, I am guessing the RBS doesn't either and are just being generally supportive of LGBI+ people during Pride Month. Edited July 1, 2021 by Kanangra punctuation 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD Driver Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share Posted July 1, 2021 Yes. That may definitely be the case. I think they will be educated very quickly! RBS needs to be across the relevant Laws and seeking Advice from the full range of different interest groups. e.g. Many LGB people do not associate themselves with LGBT+ as they are same-sex attracted not same-gender identity attracted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SissonneDoublee Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 The artwork just explains the different aspects of the various LGBT+ flags. It doesn’t promote or discourage, it’s just a completely neutral presentation of the flags. RBS are acknowledging and celebrating the diverse community that forms their past, present and future. Your comments seem to imply that they are promoting a gender ideology, which is simply not the case. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BellaF Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Aren't RBS (admirably) just celebrating diversity and inclusivity? I am VERY skeptical of the aims and motives of LGBAlliance & LGBFightBack but guess that discussion isn't really for these boards... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oliviaT Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 I don’t understand this if I’m being honest. could you explain more what the concern is? Who is it alienating? (Genuine question to help with understanding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 4 hours ago, SissonneDoublee said: The artwork just explains the different aspects of the various LGBT+ flags. It doesn’t promote or discourage, it’s just a completely neutral presentation of the flags. RBS are acknowledging and celebrating the diverse community that forms their past, present and future. Your comments seem to imply that they are promoting a gender ideology, which is simply not the case. I agree. It seems to me to be promoting inclusivity, not “Gender ideology”. As for arguing that “Gender Critical” people should be represented, from what I’ve seen on Social Media, “Gender Critical” all too often equals Transphobic, so I can quite understand why RBS might not think it appropriate to include GC people in its Pride Month artwork. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 hours ago, BellaF said: Aren't RBS (admirably) just celebrating diversity and inclusivity? I am VERY skeptical of the aims and motives of LGBAlliance & LGBFightBack but guess that discussion isn't really for these boards... It certainly is not the defintive advice is that given by the EHRC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 2 hours ago, oliviaT said: I don’t understand this if I’m being honest. could you explain more what the concern is? Who is it alienating? (Genuine question to help with understanding). when the term 'gender ideology' is used - it is almost unversially used by those who want to attack the LGBTQ+ community as a whole the current attempt to wedge this issue is the concerted and baseless attacks against trans people by attempting to use the same tactics that spawned S 28 in the 1980s i see the Bell vs tavistock case has bene menioned, all ready partly overturned , currently awaiting the judgement on the full appeal - but notable that the bell's lawyers is a is anti abortion activistis associated with the US 'christian' extermist right wing grouops that attack the bodily autonomy of all women and attack all LGBTQ+ people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 5 hours ago, SissonneDoublee said: The artwork just explains the different aspects of the various LGBT+ flags. It doesn’t promote or discourage, it’s just a completely neutral presentation of the flags. RBS are acknowledging and celebrating the diverse community that forms their past, present and future. Your comments seem to imply that they are promoting a gender ideology, which is simply not the case. this the nature of the hate groups groups who are promoting the patriarchy and spreading misinfomarion while misrepresenting the vast majority of the LGB parts of the LGBT+ community. Ann Sinnott - a cisgender heterosexual woman and one of the founders and (until defeat in the courts of the 'Authentic Equality Alliance' a trustee ) of the LGB Alliance was told that her attempts to get the EHRC guidance on Gender reassignment rescinded was 'absurd' , 'wrong in law' and that there was no evidence of harm or detriment to women of any age or young people ( or any sex or sexuality) of the current law with regard to Equality act Protected Characteristic of Gender Reassignment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJH Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 the Forstater appeal against t the findings of Tayler EJ is *NOT* a landmark judgement https://www.gov.uk/employment-appeal-tribunal-decisions/maya-forstater-v-cgd-europe-and-others-ukeat-slash-0105-slash-20-slash-joj this is now straying far from the topic and i would encourage the Mods to close the thread now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 The thread has been locked while Moderators discuss. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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