JulieW Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Just a snippet part way through this article. I wonder where they've got the idea there's a shortage of ballet dancers in this country. Maybe, as I said to my hubby who brought it to my attention, because there are so many non-Brits in British companies - are they just assuming there aren't enough British dancers to fill the positions. As he said, if there's a shortage, how come they're paid so badly. My son's giving up because he can't afford to live on the wages they get in this country (would be OK in one of the big companies but there aren't enough jobs to go round in those!) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34191123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) I wonder what list they're talking about. It sounds rather official, but if ballet dancers are on an official shortage list, someone needs to be given a reality check. Edited September 10, 2015 by Melody 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 think its to cover the large companies such that when migrants are forcibly repatriated, dancers won't be anong them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 It is the list of professions where I believe it is easier for non-EU nationals to get permission to work here. Does anyone else remember that we had a discuss a while ago because it looked as though our home companies would have more difficulty, for example, recruiting Australians if ballet dancers were not included on the list? I saw the item on the news and it seemed mainly to be about a disconnect between visa allocations by immigration and recruitment by NHS. The ballet dancer bit was just a throwaway remark. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon2 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Like Janet I took it as a throw away remark that ballet dancers and computer games programmers are on the list but not nurses. Would be interesting to see the list or if it is just a rumour doing the rounds of NHS HR departments. And the reality is if your ballet dancer can't speak good English is it a problem? If your application is held up to join the NHS because your English isn't good enough is it a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon2 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 JulieW sorry to hear your son has decided to give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Newcombe Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Like Janet I took it as a throw away remark that ballet dancers and computer games programmers are on the list but not nurses. Would be interesting to see the list or if it is just a rumour doing the rounds of NHS HR departments. And the reality is if your ballet dancer can't speak good English is it a problem? If your application is held up to join the NHS because your English isn't good enough is it a problem? As an ex-health service worker, yes understanding and speaking English is important. As for ballet dancers, Osipova seems to be surviving ok and Makarova has been murdering the English language for 45 years. She hasn't done too badly 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I'm so sorry to hear this, Julie. Hugs to you all. x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gottokeepworking Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 This is the link to the official website: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/308513/shortageoccupationlistapril14.pdf All professions are listed so scrolled down to Dancers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gottokeepworking Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Just a snippet part way through this article. I wonder where they've got the idea there's a shortage of ballet dancers in this country. Maybe, as I said to my hubby who brought it to my attention, because there are so many non-Brits in British companies - are they just assuming there aren't enough British dancers to fill the positions. As he said, if there's a shortage, how come they're paid so badly. My son's giving up because he can't afford to live on the wages they get in this country (would be OK in one of the big companies but there aren't enough jobs to go round in those!) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34191123 Sorry to hear about your son giving up due to poor wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon2 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 This is the link to the official website: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/308513/shortageoccupationlistapril14.pdf All professions are listed so scrolled down to Dancers etc. Thank you for posting I was just about to search for the document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Interesting that the only physical-science jobs where they claim to have a shortage are in the energy industry. Priorities, priorities.... I suppose that having classical ballet dancers and classical musicians on the list makes it easier for the major companies to bypass all the thousands of British youngsters and hire from the cream of the international crop of students, even though there isn't anything remotely resembling a shortage of British candidates. But really, all it takes is someone with political connections to drop a word in the right ear, and there you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon2 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Interesting that the only physical-science jobs where they claim to have a shortage are in the energy industry. Priorities, priorities.... I suppose that having classical ballet dancers and classical musicians on the list makes it easier for the major companies to bypass all the thousands of British youngsters and hire from the cream of the international crop of students, even though there isn't anything remotely resembling a shortage of British candidates. But really, all it takes is someone with political connections to drop a word in the right ear, and there you go. It is a list that is for job seekers from outside Europe. There are no restrictions on free movement on workers within Europe be they scientists or dancers. Although I believe anyone from outside UK is soon to have to prove English language competence if working within health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yes, I know about the movement of workers within the EU, since a couple of friends of mine from European countries are working in the UK at the moment (and are a bit worried about what might happen if the EU membership referendum leads to a British exit). Still, a lot of scientists these days are from Asia, although often educated in the USA or the UK, and possibly hoping to work in the UK. I assume the same is also true for ballet dancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 (Thanks to those responding to the comment about my son. It's not the only reason, but I won't go into all the ins and outs here. Those of you who I know personally will hear more about his plans on my FB page in the not too distant future I'm sure! Please don't comment further on here - but I'll respond to PMs) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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