Thecatsmother Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 In my spare time I have been watching a lot of material on the Russian second position and the promotional material on 'secrets of russian ballet'. Interested to hear people's thoughts on this especially those who are physiotherapists. I know the Russian system selects children with ample turn out but curious as to how this can be applied in the UK in non vocational schools where flat turnout is not a prerequisite. I get the concept but am curious re injury risk for those encouraged to work in this way without a great deal of natural turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowan Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 If you're referring to Eric Conrad's Secrets of Russian Ballet, this is not considered a valid method of training. If you look on the Ballet Talk website (hope that's OK, moderators!) you will find a hardly glowing discussion of his teaching method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecatsmother Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 I would agree. I also get students who are doing Russian training as adults and it concerns me re knee and hip injuries if they do not have the turnout in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerbread Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 surely good Russian training is not dangerous like this though? I hope not - dd is being taught Russian method and does not have flat turnout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 A good teacher adapts the "desirable goal" to meet the reality of the pupil's ability. Doesn't matter what method! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecatsmother Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 As long as their is flexibility in terms of expectations and the body is not forced way beyond its capacity from an anatomical perspective then all training approaches have there merits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 As an adult I have a weekly Russian class where I live and there is absolutely no suggestion of forcing turnout for us we work with what is comfortable for us. There are always alternative suggestions if the older or less experienced need to modify an exercise as well. The teacher is very mindful,of our knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Sorry if this is a daft question but... er... what is Russian second position and how does it differ from the regular? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Well second position of the legs is the same but perhaps in training for younger people they force the turn out more....I don't know really perhaps it's a flat turned out second position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecatsmother Posted July 1, 2013 Author Share Posted July 1, 2013 Something like a developpe to second is taken much further to the side and focus upon standing with feet flat turned out. If you look at any of the vaganova students on you tube especially the younger students this should illustrate as you can see them beginning to master the positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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