Colman Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 There is a common bit of wisdom that says something like that you need to train early to develop things like turnout and flexibility, that by doing so before adolescence you adapt the body to allow more of both. (Which leads to the corollary that adult beginners, as opposed to returners, shouldn't expect to develop good turnout.) Does anyone have any pointers to studies on this? To me it looks suspiciously like there's at lot of survivorship bias in it - the dancers that make it are chosen in part because they have good turnout, and many dancers train from very young and the ones who don't develop good turnout are discarded early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdance Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 It's difficult to find a citation to support this, because it isn't true and is much more complicated than this. Turnout has many facets (passive, active, functional, standing etc etc) and is affected by many many factors, including joint shape and positioning, ligament laxity, muscle length and strength. I sadly don't have time to dig through all the research for you but if you go to google scholar and type in turnout and ballet you'll find a lot of articles. Be wary of older articles which have since been disproven through more modern understanding and research. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 My husband has never done a ballet class in his entire life, yet he has flat turnout. His hip joints are just made that way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colman Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 7 hours ago, drdance said: Be wary of older articles which have since been disproven through more modern understanding and research. I was pretty much expecting you to pop up with this sort of reply! Any particular key words or concepts I should be wary of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colman Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 6 hours ago, taxi4ballet said: My husband has never done a ballet class in his entire life, yet he has flat turnout. Likewise (well, when I started a decade ago) - all three boys in my house just have flat turnout available, even if using it is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdance Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 10 minutes ago, Colman said: I was pretty much expecting you to pop up with this sort of reply! Any particular key words or concepts I should be wary of? No, just check/ use more recent studies - anything older than 2000 is probably best to avoid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colman Posted May 23 Author Share Posted May 23 20 minutes ago, drdance said: No, just check/ use more recent studies - anything older than 2000 is probably best to avoid. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doing Dance 1 Posted May 23 Share Posted May 23 These might seem obvious but the reference pages may point you where you want. https://iadms.org/media/3597/iadms-resource-paper-turnout-anatomy.pdf https://iadms.org/media/3601/iadms-resource-paper-turnout-supplemental-exercises.pdf https://iadms.org/education-resources/blog/posts/2015/february/approaching-turnout-with-young-dancers-muscles-that-rotate-the-leg/ https://www.citraining.com/pdfs/Effective-Use-of-Turnout.pdf The huge resource list for these slides might also prove useful. https://shrs.uq.edu.au/files/15706/Kiely_Sarah_Turnout in the Dancer.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colman Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 15 hours ago, Doing Dance 1 said: These might seem obvious but the reference pages may point you where you want. https://iadms.org/media/3597/iadms-resource-paper-turnout-anatomy.pdf https://iadms.org/media/3601/iadms-resource-paper-turnout-supplemental-exercises.pdf https://iadms.org/education-resources/blog/posts/2015/february/approaching-turnout-with-young-dancers-muscles-that-rotate-the-leg/ https://www.citraining.com/pdfs/Effective-Use-of-Turnout.pdf The huge resource list for these slides might also prove useful. https://shrs.uq.edu.au/files/15706/Kiely_Sarah_Turnout in the Dancer.pdf Thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut68 Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 23/05/2024 at 14:25, taxi4ballet said: My husband has never done a ballet class in his entire life, yet he has flat turnout. His hip joints are just made that way. Yes - my husband has natural turnout & walks like a ballet dancers! As does the son…Both drum so wonder if that’s got something to do with it? Always threatening to pop the hubbie in a pair of white tights….🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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