SwissBalletFan

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On 13 September 2017 at 11:43, Lizbie1 said:

I'd also argue that the Bolshoi doesn't present much of a model for exemplary management/employee relations and harmonious internal politics.

I would strongly are against that under Makhar Vaziev, the opportunities for dancers at all levels to improve themselves and 'step up' is unlike any company in the world. Mr Vaziev in countless interviews tells how he has an open door policy for dancers to ask for roles or opportunities, he then tells them what they must work on to be able to be considered for the role. He then admits he is very demanding in the studio... if the dancers tell him they want a bigger role, they must work and walk through that door.

It may not be for everyone, but if you have worked your life and have a contract at the Bolshoi, comfortable seats shouldn't be what you are looking for asa dancer.

Just this week Xander told about how he was told to wait for longer for his chance with a wooly answer (guardian), and in the end threw in his spear, and demonstrated his talent elsewhere.

I sincerely hope that Northern Ballet are aware of your contribution to 'getting the message out' etc Janet, I wouldhope you get some kind of special treatment  

Thank you Amelia, now that was lovely to read.

Thank you John, very interesting!

I find the tone of Osipova's words to be more critical of other theatres as well as happy for Perm. It is reminiscent of Mr Polunin, and kinda takes the gloss of the announcement and happiness  I have for her and Perm.

1 hour ago, penelopesimpson said:

It could only happen to Sergei!   Interesting thought, though.  I suppose there really is nothing to stop anyone doing something similar here.  

Sergei is doing something similar in the U.K., isn't that the point of this thread,  the £400 seats and all?

3 hours ago, Don Q Fan said:

I agree it is a real pain with BRB announcing casts so late. ENB have improved since TR took over so it is possible to plan a little more in advance. Royal Ballet and ABT cast months in advance which is very helpful for those traveling. At least with BRB you are more or less guaranteed a stellar performance whoever dances though! 

More stellar than RB or ABT? 

43 minutes ago, alison said:

 

Or if there had been rather less public speculation by people who may or may not know what they're talking about, may or may not be making assumptions/reading between the lines whether correctly or incorrectly, and so on and so forth.

Then there wouldn't be much need for a forum to thrash-out their thoughts. Members have either personal or close knowledge of the people involved or maybe no idea and just pure speculation. The rules of the forum really prevent people naming their sources or their knowledge without losing a large dollop of discretion afforded to them from the people directly involved.

 So the 'may or may not know', keep the forum posts building up which I am guessing is the interest for the forum membership, and those that 'know', will recognize who else knows from the content and implications of posts.

Otherwise we should just accept press releases, even with serious omissions, and it a bit of spin on the 'real' story.

It seems Madeline took the time to thank the dancers and all of the people involved in the support of dancers, hair etc.,but left out management totally.

for a dancer to be so obvious whilst she still has an active career is extremely brave, and to mention extremely tough times.

Dancers leave a company  USUALLY because of; they are not chosen for the roles they would/should be dancing, a repertoire they do not like or does not suit them, they are not in the plans of the AD or do not see promotion happening, they are not given the freedom to go to Galas etc., or personal reasons. These usual reasons explain the small turnover within companies, as not everyone can get exactly as they like in a changing environment.

the analysis and comments above indicate that promoted and talented dancers are leaving and not all to be thrown in the same pot for the reasons, although what is clear, is that it is not a happy working environment, it may get things done, it may please the audiences, and the directors, but clearly it is at a cost of the dancers' happiness whether it be pay, too many hours, last minute changes to schedules etc..

Many well paid CEOs in business get well rewarded during layoffs and for getting 'the most' out of their workers. Also reading about the BBC pay packages, it was said that so many nice people expected to be treated fairly in pay and were totally in shock when they found out their egotistical and pushy colleagues were getting so much more.

I think TR qualifies in both counts to explain her pay and successful record of performances. It seems that the cost of this borne by the dancers, ballet masters, etc., and has had an extreme effect on their feelings towards the environment.

Good results at any cost should not be a mantra, and is why modern companies make sure their CEOs are judged on soft targets too, such as the engagement of their employees.

I think KOH has done an amazing job at RB and you feel the appreciateion and respect for his dancers.

Also looking at the numbers, TR should not be getting more because she is dancing, especially when considering the average wage of the principal dancers, if anything she should be getting less because of it, otherwise how can you tell a fellow principal dancer that their pay is fair with a straight face when you earn 4 times more than them?

52 minutes ago, MAB said:

 

It's homophobes in Moscow that concern me.  In the UK LGBT people have human rights enshrined in law, in Russia they don't and the situation is getting worse.  The Nureyev fiasco is is an example of homophobia in high places imposing censorship from above.

No. It. Isn't.

I think it is quite clear that the powers that be have stated that the dancers and stages were not ready in time. It has its scheduled return date which has been said will run with out any changes to the original choreography. 

What concerns me the most, are the people who read a deliberately untrue or misleading sensationalist story, then take a huge offence to an absolute non story and cry homophobia and censorship.... Or racism, terrorism, or whatever distracts from the real issues that are happening to you everyday in real life.

1 hour ago, Lindsay said:

Actually, British theatre, including at subsidised venues like the National has a long tradition of both male and female full frontal nudity on stage, right from Oh Calcutta! and Hair to Ian McKellen's naked Lear to the male rape scenes in The Romans in Britain (which incident by the way also saw the spectacular collapse of Mary Whitehouse's attempt to bring a civil claim to have the play taken off). Even when nudity/rape scenes might be thought gratuitous, as in the Royal Opera's William Tell, not even critics of the piece were calling for censorship, let alone state censorship.   We are long past the days of the Lord Chamberlain's decency rulings. No government in a Western European democratic state these days could simply censor a performance without an absolute outcry from its free press and from its citizens on social media.   I am not holding Britain or any other Western European country up as a utopia and of course bigoted attitudes remain amongst individuals and some newspapers, but in all of those countries free speech and LGBT rights are protected under the law.

 

The Russian government on the other hand, after signs of progression with the decriminalisation of homosexuality (although not until 1993 you might wish to note) over the past few years, has passed openly homophobic laws, imprisoned protesters for LGBT rights and can hardly be said to support freedom of speech and expression (cf a number of murdered journalists).   Anyone who protests in favour of free speech and LGBT rights in Moscow is brave indeed.

 

I had stopped posting here after some recent incidents, but this kind of sentiment, which is either ignorant, bigoted or both cannot be allowed to stand unopposed.

'Sigh'... I have written pages in response and deleted them, I will keep it simple, thank you for your time to write and save me from my own 'ignorant and bigoted' views with words from the the UK Free Press (supplied by billionaires).  However before you wrongly think about saving the world, I think it is much better that you should concentrate on what is happening in your own country before writing about ignorance or anything you have read that is happening in other places of the world.

13 minutes ago, Fiz said:

Just a minute, Swiss Ballet Fan. There is real gay persecution going on now in Russia. Google it if you don't believe me. It is relevant whether you like it or not.

This is a different matter entirely, and I think it is not productive to discuss these at all. This thread is about the Nureyev ballet production at the Bolshoi.

Again, I ask what would the government say about staging the same ballet at the Royal Opera House with a gay Icon and full frontal naked imagery and dance. It is clearly controversial in Russia as it would be in the UK.

I have explained that my view was about the description of old soviet Russia etc etc, and that they were unfair. I accept that the views of general people in the UK are very open for LGBT rights. Any discussion of what is happening in Russia is left to another group to argue, I am not Russian nor have ties, I just made my posts for a balance in the discussion as the BBC would say.

On 9 July 2017 at 09:01, ninamargaret said:

Looks as though things are going back to the old Soviet days. And shades of Shostakovich 's troubles seem to be raising their ugly heads.

On 10 July 2017 at 01:55, Fiz said:

Russia's official attitude to the LBGT community is absolutely appalling. I would bet that is what is at the bottom of this. 

I posted my response referencing Turing and Wilde due to these popular comments by likes, and the general sentiment that Russia is so backward when it comes to LGBT rights referencing the 1930's, and Russia's historical issues being not so different to the UK or other countries. So before people talk about the 'dark old soviet days' the UK has its own. 

I don't know of an example of such nudity with a homosexual content being performed on a stage that is majority government funded such as ROH, so mentioned what I tried as the theoretical alternative....a full length ballet about Wayne Sleep showing him fully naked in photos and what is reportedly naked dancing with homosexual 'under/overtones'.

This event then would be a comparison to what is reportedly happening in Russia now.

Otherwise we could talk about our own beliefs about what marriage means, adoption etc etc which aren't really helpful in this context or in this forum.

I agree with Janet, the past is the past, and in all countries have developed in the last 50 years (including Russia) so references about the distant past are not helpful. This was the high horse I was referencing.

I will not comment on an LGBT issue for this year, as it will not bring the conversation any further. It seems That Mr Urin has discussed the reasons of postponement and that the ballet will be shown next year, so all is OK in the world.

I think it's about time the British got off their high horses regarding homosexual content, and or acceptability. It was 2013 only that Alan Turing was pardoned for his homosexuality after much debate, his chemical castration and suicide.

Although Julian Clary, Graham Norton and Michael Barrymore have removed some borders on homosexuality in the UK sportspeople are still chanted about their sexuality, and their are very few openly gay sportsmen or politicians still.

Russia is a conservative country where heterosexual sex scenes  are still cut from hollywood films, and nakedness even in a heterosexual dance would also be banned/discouraged.

I think that a ballet about Wayne Sleep showing him full naked in photographs filling the stage, and scenes of him naked dancing with lovers would also be very problematic in the UK. While also missing the point of wh he is fondly remembered.

So please, a little less belief that the Russians and the old soviets homosexuals were treated so badly when one of your war heroes was treated so badly, those mention Tchaikovsky may also like to equal remember the treatment of Oscar Wilde, and so many others.

Gudanov, the dancer who illicites amazing and outrageous stories of his behaviour on and off stage from his colleagues.

nureyev and polunin have nothing on some of the stories, a real legend, I hope a book is written.

Also a wonderful natural talent of course

2 hours ago, Pas de Quatre said:

No - I think you have misunderstood me SBF.  The caption says he is appearing with the Royal Ballet.  Who ever wrote it thought that as the performances are at the Royal Opera House it must be the Royal Ballet dancing, obviously unaware of the Mariinsky visit.

 I understood, I think maybe I was misunderstood, but that happens a lot, so no problem. I was referring to the fact that I would not be too confident that it was 'a minion with no clue' rather than..'a minion who knew what they were doing and the effect it may have'

1 hour ago, Pas de Quatre said:

Yeah - you can't have everything!  The strapline is obviously written by some minion who hasn't a clue!

There has been a concerted effort to try to convince Royal Ballet and their public that Xander should return to the company after his wonderful  success abroad. I think that this is part of that effort, and I hope that Royal Management will have a good think about whether they should invite him back, it is clear that Xander himself (from his comments in the press and social media) would very much like to.

In reading the reaction she of some members to this thread you would think ENB was a million light years away from the Royal Ballet.

So many posts in this site are about Royal 'we don't need any stars, our young talent is amazing and they should be given a chance' etc etc.

ENB clearly like 'star' names and invite a lot of guests for their performances, they also advertised for new soloists ( as previously stated) and now they are applying for more corps. 

I do not have any inside knowledge of what is happening, but can't fathom why many dancers might not be happy at ENB, when it seems internal opportunities seem to be going to outsiders.

Royal have one regular outside guest, and there is a load of fuss about it.

Choice? As a dancer? Well.. no, not at all. You wait until the cast sheets come out and read what you will do, that's it. Any attitude less than productive and enthusiastic will mean removal from the role and a black mark that will mean an apology is needed if you would like a career at the company.

sergei polunin starts many of his views from this reality, but given ballet and the discipline is a major part of ballet life. 'Ours is not to reason why, ours is just to do and dance'

1 hour ago, Petunia said:

And SBF - please allow us some light gushing!

I really wish you would have used another turn of phrase

Some decorum ladies please, this isn't 50 shades of ballet. 

Also, there is a point of note that a dancer's physique or attractiveness isn't really appropriate to comment upon in general public (what you do behind closed doors is your own business).

Just imagine sitting behind two old men talking about the young girl in the corps and the thoughts they have are not really to be said in a family environment, nudge, nudge, wink, wink and it takes quite a different tone. That is before you imagine that, that dancer is a relative or friend of yours.

I know that its a bit of light fun etc, but I think it is an important point about what is appropriate when commenting about a ballet dancer.

19 hours ago, Amelia said:

Has anyone recorded “Pride and Prejudice” (1940 film) which was shown on BBC2 last Sunday?

A friend of mine who is doing research on social dance in films asked me to record it. I dutifully set up recording but after 2 hours noticed that recording lasted only 30 min. My old Sony does it sometimes. Such a bad luck!

I shall be very grateful if someone, who recorded it, can share it with me. I can offer something interesting in exchange.

Well, you can find it online here

Something interesting? 

The Roh says that it receives 22% from the arts council http://www.roh.org.uk/news/arts-council-england-national-portfolio-and-bridge-funding-announced

The distribution of this money subsidises the lower priced tickets  more than 22% (as the higher priced tickets will be contributing to costs), as the Roh itself says, without funding it could not offer tickets under £40.

Indeed, if you actually go to watch ballet you are being subsudised by all of the taxpayers who do not go, so you very much pay a very small percentage of the cost of the ticket without public funding (plus a ticket fee)

3 hours ago, capybara said:

Interesting for many of us in the UK to note that Daniele Silingardi is joining Stuttgart from ENB.

In relation to Constantine Allen, one might suspect that whichever company he is joining is not yet ready to announce him.

Adding intrigue indeed Capybara. Though I would think as he guested successfully and ENB were auditioning for Soloists this season...and ENB have not announced next season yet...

Could it be?