Lifeafterballet

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This is new for next year. And a fabulous city to visit 😀

My son was 17 years old when he started year 12 and I know if others who were 18 😊

There wasn’t a problem then. 

1 hour ago, Viv said:

 

My understanding is that after the finals, there is a special class/workshop for the dancers who didn't make the finals. There they get to dance again and speak to the various ADs who have come from around the world. A lot of places seem to come out of that final workshop, some full fee paying and some with bursaries. I know at least one dancer who elected to do PDL over an audition "tour" through Europe, as they could get financial aid to attend the competition, as opposed to self funding flights and accomodation in 4 or 5 different countries to audition for places in person. This student ended up with a number of offers following PDL so it worked out for them, though of course nothing is ever certain in ballet! This was a junior student looking for a place at an upper school, not a place in a company, just to be clear  

When YAGP finals were held at the Lincoln Centre in New York the scholarship classes were held at Alvin Alley Studios. ADs attended and watched and either approached a student after the class or they were handed a slip with the offer on. It was confirmed by email later. Dd spoke to a US school AD and was offered an intensive which was given to her at the presentation afternoon at the Lincoln Centre. A short term place offer was made a few days later. She also was invited to audition for ABT Studio Company at the ABT Studios. That was a fabulous experience 😊 Dd had a full time offer from the summer intensive too but declined to stay in the U.K. Her A levels were important to her and turned out to be a god send as Covid struck and stopped travel to company contracts. 
Just to mention that Dd had a BMI of 16 at that time and sadly she didn’t look out of place at YAGP 😢 But that’s another thread. 
 

WHO IS ELIGIBLE WITHOUT AUDITION:  



-       Dancers who have received 1^st Place in Classical Ballet category at any YAGP U.S. or international semi-final in the current (2023) or previous (2022) season.

-       Dancers from the graduating class of any YAGP-affiliated partner school, by personal recommendation of the School director
 

I believe that RBS, ENBS and Elmhurst are affiliated partner schools. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but they all attend YAGP and offer scholarships 

Not sure if this link will work 😅
 

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Audition-for-30--companies-worldwide-at-the-YAGP-2023-JOB-FAIR.html?soid=1117401595776&aid=WsbHO4wER9E&fbclid=IwAR2D1Gev_EswomsEQG485sMfX4wxYI5k_TsG8njaCb0133H7Mef2So0SEM4#.Y4m9AC5m1OE.facebook

3 hours ago, Pas de Quatre said:

At RBS I understand that quite often the overseas dancers who don't qualify for DaDa are supported by scholarships and bursaries provided by Patrons or Friends.

Didn’t think that RBS offered Dadas, just MDS. Might be wrong. Things change 😃

3 hours ago, Kerfuffle said:

Which I guess explains the high numbers at the summer schools through photo auditions too? MDS sound good for under 16s but I think from my calculations that we’d get nothing from DaDa at all and we aren’t hugely rich! For Europeans it makes more sense training for free in Europe surely ? 
 

 

When mine were on DaDas if you had a total household income below £90,000 you qualified. The contribution for the DaDa was nearly the same as for the MDS too. 

I wouldn’t worry about vocational schools offering scholarships to summer intensives etc at YAGP to international students as they are just tempting them to accept a paying full time place. I fear that if these schools don’t have an income from paying customers they won’t be around in the future. Times are hard financially for them and there are MDS/DaDas for the U.K. dancers. 

2 hours ago, TJK said:

hi everyone

 

does anyone have any tips as to the best way to film the class / excercises required by Elmhurst and other schools for 16+ training

? we have a list of things she needs to perform, but do you just film on your phone and edit, or is there a special / better software that people use? thanks so much.

Both my dc used an iPhone mounted on a small tripod, balanced on a chair, to get the right height. They managed to do their filming for company auditions on their own this way. 

Very stressful 😅 but the results were very good 😊 

6 minutes ago, Out-the-other-side said:

In our experience, the focus is in protecting the brand rather than the student. Teachers are allowed to quietly leave and continue their teaching career elsewhere. 

Exactly 

13 minutes ago, sunrise81 said:

At Elmhurst they don't have their phones during school day now, which I think is better tbh (from a school teachers point of view). She has it in the morning to send a good morning message and then gets her phone after evening meal until lights out. Her experience so far has been great......her love of ballet grows every term 😀

In my Dds year a few of the children had two phones. One they handed in and one to keep. Bet that still happens 🤣

1 hour ago, AllAboutTheJourney said:

Without trying to take anything away from the experiences described above, it’s probably worth mentioning that now students at vocational schools do not have restricted access to phones or family communication. They are able to communicate as much as they want to through the day, around class time etc, but in some schools their phones are handed in at lights out. 
 

There are also options for weekly or part time boarding if you live close enough - which works well for some people. 

I’m not sure whether that’s a good thing or not 🤔 

I used to dread talking to Dd. It was that initial “Hello” and your heart sank 😞 It was like having a dementor for a daughter. She could suck all the happiness out of you in an instant.  
But not anymore 😃

On 01/11/2022 at 12:41, Babyballerinamum said:

Would you mind maybe setting out some of those reasons?

When we were offered a place at the school the Assistant Artistic Director asked us how we thought our daughter would manage with the boarding element. I recall describing her as a “tough cookie”. She was then but sadly we were completely naive as to the world of ballet training and boarding and the journey she was about to begin. Whatever people will tell you it’s not normal to send your 11 year old away from home to train for a competitive career. Home sickness and tears are normal its the environment that isn’t. I remember the houseparent described it as a sleep over with rules. It’s not. It’s an intense boiling pot of fear and self doubt. In my mind I liken it to Shawshank. Everything personality and character wise was stripped away. She had to learn to conform and fit into the ballet student mould. A ballet bubble, with restricted access to family and the outside world. She only had her phone for one hour in the evening. She would try to find a dark, private corner to call us. They were harrowing conversations 😩 She wasn’t mature enough at 11 to cope with the environment and why should she be. High levels of anxiety and stress, self doubt and feelings of not being good enough. But she felt she had won an amazing prize, that she was lucky, that hundreds wanted her space so she was reluctant to give it up. We supported her, thinking it would get better, it didn’t. Just another set of problems as you move through the school years. The love of ballet gets lost along the way. Occasionally you discover it again at a summer school or with an outside teacher but within the school class it was sucked out of her again. 
I think that had she been older she may have been more equipped to deal with the ballet and the boarding. And so graduated less affected and with her love of ballet intact. 
Im sure a lot of parents out there share similar experiences and regrets to us. Little did we know at the time 😞 The beginning of our journey was ten years ago and I hope that parents now are more well informed and feel less scared of doing what their gut tells them is best for their child. 

38 minutes ago, Out-the-other-side said:

Just watched this very unsettling report on ITV news - the parallels between their experiences and those of my DD and others in her year/school is stark - surely just a matter of time before the spotlight turns to vocational ballet training? 
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-11-08/the-weight-shaming-culture-that-sentenced-gymnasts-to-lifelong-health-issues

We too would be happy to share our experiences if it would change the toxic culture within ballet and vocational training. But sadly I fear it won’t 😣 

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1 hour ago, Out-the-other-side said:

It makes me beyond sad to see us all as dance parents discuss how we can put back together our broken children - been there, done that, got the therapy bill - whilst the damage goes on unchecked. I keep hoping that the next big scandal to be exposed will be that of the ballet world so that future generations of bright-eyed optimists can navigate a fairer, kinder, more nurturing system but the occasional ripples that surface soon die down again. At times, it seems untouchable. 
To the original poster, I genuinely send you best wishes in helping your child regain their self-esteem but would very politely suggest that it may not be THEIR mindset that needs changing as much as their teacher’s. Xx

100% agree.

We have, as you say, been there, done that and paid the therapy bill 😞

Sadly I believe that the ballet world is the issue and very unlikely to change. My daughter saw a psychologist privately outside her ballet school for a time. We were worried that it wasn’t going to be helpful as the psychologist wasn’t familiar with the ballet world and didn’t as you say ‘get it ‘. But it was helpful because it proved that it wasn’t  her that had to learn strategies to cope with the ballet world, but that the toxic environment at the school wasn’t right and needed to change. Parents and children get so immersed in the ballet world that they can’t think clearly and what is right and wrong becomes blurred. Those outside the ballet bubble can help clear the fog. 
It is approaching two years since my daughter stopped ballet. Healing from years of physical, psychological and emotional abuse, from herself and others, takes time. Her recovery is ongoing but she is confident, positive and finally happy. She is enjoying a new sport and is learning to deal rationally and without fear with injuries too. 
I too am patiently waiting for the ballet world to be investigated and held accountable for its practices, and future generations of young dancers to not endure the current cruel system. 

15 minutes ago, Mamaderuby said:

A question, the A levels offered alongside the Trinity diploma course are optional? I ask, as my son will have just completed his schooling (A level equivalent). 

My son had already done 4 As level exams but was still required to do two A levels at Elmhurst. The timetable is built around the academics and dance so if you don’t do the A levels then there is a lot of downtime. Some students dropped out of the A levels and they just kicked around. There was no studio or gym space for them as all slots were taken so no opportunity to do extra dance. I would email and ask them if they are compulsory, I’m sure that they, or an EPQ etc, are. Good luck 😀

My son started Elmhurst at 17 and his friend 18. There have been others of that age so don’t cross these off your list because of age 😄

5 hours ago, Ottobotto said:

I was wondering if any parents out there have been successful at gaining any financial assistance (alongside MDS funding) to help them manage the cost of vocational school fees? Just trying to access anything that might be available to cushion the blow somewhat now that we have committed and the cost of living is rocketing! Local MPs, town councils, national funds or sponsorships that might be available - I'd be very grateful to hear your ideas. Many thanks 😊

The more you earn the more you pay. We found it not to be worthwhile earning more as the majority went on to the following years MDS contribution. Everything coming into the household has to be declared, including sponsorships and support. In fact I had to reduce my hours when my husband got a promotion. Then there is the DaDa to get ready for and the earnings cut off point 😅 and looking after graduation, if you really want too, ££££££

We consulted a financial advisor. We found that the only way to afford to send our two to vocational school was to additional lend on our mortgage. We did this yearly 🤣 We have 8 sub mortgages !

We also had an older child at University. You have to support the non ballet children too. Otherwise you run into resentment territory 😢 

29 minutes ago, Balletbuds80 said:

I think i know deep down that i am just not ready for this to happen right now and we will probably wait a few years. She is part of a great dance school and also does a weekly associate course. 
Apologies if i offended anyone with my original post asking is 11 too young? It is a question i have asked myself for my DD and us as a family. I totally appreciate it will be exactly the right time for some DC.
Yes there is the cost element. We would make changes to make it work as i am sure many do. We may still go down the route of auditioning to see what happens and make our final decision on the results. Good luck to you all. 

In our experience 11 is too young for a hundred reasons I could write a book on 😢

We had two children at the same vocational school, one started at 11 and the other at 17. We now would have held onto our daughter til later. 

We are moving house and they aren’t coming with us 🤣

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