Lifeafterballet

2 minutes ago, Chira said:

Hello,

 

there does not seem to be much of a norm. For us initially my child and I got caught up in the excitement of it all, until I realised this is a marathon not a sprint, and a balanced life with all its component parts is key to a healthy happy child. 

 

I used to drive my child to vocational ballet training in London 5 days a week. 2 hrs each way. My child was Home Educated and it was absolutely exhausting for me as well as them. Exciting at first but after a while it was just too much. 

 

we managed a year and threw in the towel, it just was not sustainable for either of us long term. I found I was more exhausted than they were. 
 

I can only imagine how hard it would be with a full school day thrown in. My child is now in full time residential training, days are long and challenging but minus the travel.

 

we found travel to associate programs at weekends RBS and Ballet Boost a breeze by comparison. They were a 2 hour journey each way.

 

knowing what I know now, if I could have found a local school with a teacher that is up to date on their training and development in ballet teaching and could offer a non-syllabus style approach alongside the standard RAD classes; with parking and a coffee shop nearby I would throw myself and my child at it and stay there until Upper School if they hadn’t lost interest by then😁

 

your child might want it more than anything but we found that a healthy balance of fun, friends, school and dance makes for an all round better outcome for everyone long term 💗

Excellent advice.

As parents we do tend to get swept up in the excitement and opportunity. 
But being realistic about what is achievable and in our children’s best interest long term is essential. Even if that means saying no. 
In our experience, lower schools aren’t necessary. 

Funny that this morning I was looking at my Facebook memories from today 6 years ago when my daughter did the YAGP NY finals and danced at the Lincoln Centre ☺️ 

8 minutes ago, Ruby Foo said:

 
This was for a student visa and not a working/ residency permit.

In some European countries, a school college must be accredited by their government in order for non EU students to apply for a student visa.

For a school to be accredited by their government, they must prove they are taking a certain percentage of students from their own country. Some schools prefer not to do that.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about companies ☺️

15 minutes ago, Ruby Foo said:

Americans, Canadians, Australians all have varying ways within the law of obtaining a EU visa. Not particularly easy and a lot of form filling and cost, but possible. Many of my daughters friends from US and Australia had managed to do this. This option is not possible for UK residents/passport holders. Believe me, we fully researched with a lawyer. This is for a visa longer than 3 months allowed.

My son’s EU country was very welcoming and the process very straightforward. I don’t believe any of the other international dancers have had any problems obtaining a residency permit. All they needed was a contract and an address. His was for 5 years, pre Brexit, and those who joined after get a year. But they all renew successfully.

Maybe it just some particular countries. 

17 minutes ago, batmanballetshoes said:

Technically if you get a place on a US studio company that is not a "job" it is not paid and is further training and classed as education so the international passport holder is granted a student F1 visa which allows them to remain in the country for the length of the course. Different to the right to work.  Although yes there are plenty of internationals in US companies rare to be a graduate.  

Sarasota Ballet pay their Studio Company dancers $1,000 per month. 2019-2020. 

Just about survivable on if you are in a shared apartment and budget well.

But of course there’s the cost of the flight, deposit and health insurance to consider. The company paid for the visa petition too. I recall that it wasn’t a student one as the Studio Company and main company international dancers were all on the same petition. 
 

8 hours ago, Roberta said:

 

 UK passport holders no longer have the automatic right to work, live and travel in EU countries. (EU passport holders don't have the same rights here any longer either.) 

 

Companies take the easy option. 

 

US does employ UK dancers, Sarasota Ballet does, though it's probably far more difficult and expensive to travel for auditions and relocate from the UK to the US. 

And the visa they apply for only lasts from August to May, and then you have to leave the country. Also, for the Studio Company, they don’t pay for the week’s break over Christmas or the 3 month summer break between seasons. ££££

Whereas, my sons EU company pay all year round and the residency permit was very easy to obtain ☺️

14 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said:

I was looking at Birmingham RB and they seem to have a lot of mainly RBS British alumni (though not many Elmhurst). Is this just a generational thing though ? 

They do on average taken about 5 RBS Grads into the Corps per year.
There is one scholarship for an Elmhurst student for a year, funded privately. 
This happens every year, apart from in 2020 when Carlos Acosta came to the school to audition the graduates and then told them that they had decided not to have one that year. That year group had already graduated but were enticed back for the audition in the Autumn term. Then he used them for free in the Nutcracker. My daughter and another young lady got paid for the final performances as they had officially left the school and were dancing with the main company. Thats the only pay-check she ever had from ballet after 8 years of training 🤣

Rarely do Elmhurst pupils get corps contracts without doing the apprenticeship first. I can think of 2 men and one young lady within the past 12 years. 
My daughter and son were used as main company dancers on multiple occasions for free, sorry for the experience, but Elmhurst pupils are rarely hired direct unlike RBS. 
Things might change now they have BRB 2 but with the funding cuts this and next year I can’t see it happening sadly. 

26 minutes ago, Sadielou said:

Newly formed London City Ballet, who held a two day audition for over 200 dancers last January, have just announced their company roster. 

Only 3 of 14 dancers are British. Of those employed only 4 attended the audition. 75% of the dancers appear to be quite mature and still employed by other companies. There is only one graduate who appears to be from Canada on the company list. What hope is there for British graduates in this country. The old London City Ballet although run by a South African, with a Prima Ballerina also from South Africa, was mainly made up of young British graduates. It was great opportunity for those who did not make it into the two main companies to garner experience and tour the Classics. This new company is London City Ballet in name only and not the Company that many were hoping would give young graduates new opportunities.

Very sad 😔 

But I’m not surprised at all.

I’ve just watched Madu.

What an exceptional young man. Kind, gentle, genuine, humble and brave. A beautiful family. Such love, support and faith. I’m totally in awe of his Mum.

There wasn’t an ounce of entitlement or jealousy. Just trust and belief.
Applause to Robert Parker and Jessica Ward for giving this young man a chance to pursue his dream. From mine and my children’s experience of Elmhurst, this showed the best side and made me remember the good times. 

And a big hand 👏 to the NHS for their care. 
 

7 hours ago, Viviangrace said:

Another thing we have experienced is this...following the audition the director will sometimes select a FEW (3-5 max) dancers that are of interest and have these stay for an informal interview.  A few times my dancer has had VERBAL contract offers made and been told to expect to receive a contract the next week. However, the email received the next week states unfortunately no more contracts are available.  

This happened to my daughter in the March of her graduate year with a European ballet company. Just before the first lockdown.

Then they telephoned her out of the blue in the October to ask if she was still available, only to later say that they were unable to offer her a contract again due to going into another lockdown.

It’s like being dangled on a piece of string and the hope keeps you in the game for longer than you should be. 
It’s soul destroying. Employment laws don’t seem to apply to the ballet world at all. 

Hello. 
I don’t have any experience of the summer workshop to share but I go to Tallinn very regularly to see my son who lives there. It is a beautiful city. Very safe with lots to do and excellent public transport. The Opera House is stunning. I have seen many performances, watched company class in the studio and had a tour. Most Estonians speak English so communication isn’t usually a problem. Summer is a lovely time of year and there is a fabulous beach at Pirita, a scooters ride away from the Old Town. 

27 minutes ago, mumtotwoballerinas said:

They do have paid dancers within the company, trainee 1& 2 dance alongside the company. The director is very passionate and all dancers were taken on the latest tour. I think it is all to easy to make assumptions. 

The burning question is though, are the trainees parents paying for the privilege of their children dancing with the company ?

I had two children graduate back to back and wouldn’t have been able to afford for even one to dance with a company that charged them 😢 

3 minutes ago, BarbaraH said:

Not that I am aware of. Their fees can be found on their website: https://www.catballet.com/trainee/fees/

 

OMG 😦 

Over €15,000 

How can this be classed as a company position for a graduate.

Its so sad that some companies take advantage of graduates 😢 

On 04/03/2024 at 15:19, teddy24 said:

My son has got through to the final auditions for Central and Elmhurst.  He currently dances at his local dance school to a good level, and has been doing Northern Ballet Associates for just under a year, but he's up against Royal Ballet Associates, and Royal Ballet and Elmhurst Lower School.  Does anyone have experience of how many non associate or lower school children get through at final audition?  I am just wondering what his chances realistically are.

My Ds started ballet aged 12 and was non vocational when he auditioned for Elmhurst US. At 16 he made finals but got a no. He was very raw and petite. He went to his local high school to do A levels and did a year as an RBS SA. He reapplied at 17 and was successful. An extra year can make a lot of difference. There is no rush for boys I feel.
He trained for 3 years and has been professional for 5 now. 

I’m sat at Gatwick currently waiting for a flight to go and watch him dance 🤣 

Just stay calm, what will be will be. 
Luck plays a huge part in auditions and success. And the reality isn’t all we dream it will be. 

13 hours ago, balletbean said:

I thought the audition medicals was just the standard additional cost to factor in. But wait until the graduate requires medicals for visas. They are on another level (cost) entirely. Blood tests/x-rays/ECG to name just a few. On the plus side, it’s like having an MOT so you can wave them off with some peace of mind 😊

My son has danced in both the US and Europe and has never had to have a medical for a visa 😅

Is this a new thing ? 

7 hours ago, BalletChild said:

An old thread but felt I should update it as I did read this and wasn't sure my DD should go for it.

 

I believe the company had hired a nice venue for auditions to accommodate more dancers and my daughter really enjoyed the audition.

 

She also said the town was nice, with lots of outdoor cafes etc.  They stayed in an Airbnb v near the centre. 

 

Haven't been there myself but she had quite a different experience.

I’m pleased your daughter had a good experience. 
Did she get to see the actual studios and theatre ? My daughter’s audition was held there and not at a hired venue. 
It was also January, so there were no outside cafes, or people really 🤣 

Perhaps the place livens up at different times of the year. The very best of luck to your daughter with her auditions ☺️

1 hour ago, Derin's Mom said:

 Dear Lifeafterballet,

My daughter received an invitiation to HB2 in GrandAudition, and i understand HB2 is a part of the Academy. We are not familiar with US schools so I understand that students (still students) will be having an education of 2 more yeras where in Europe this is mostly under the name of junior company. But in Houston Ballet this HBA2 is a semi-school semi company programme. If she accepts and starts then I understand we will be paying for 2 more years. Do they get a certain amount of money if they are connected to company and attend the shows? What should we expect as expenses... this is bugging me.

If there are people to enlighten me, it will be more than appreciated.

The school, the dorms (or the student finds an accomodation on their own etc) all are a big question mark for me at the moment.

Hi Derin’s Mom,

If you google Houston Ballet Academy Fees and go to the Professional program you will see the tuition costs for Professional 1 and 2 and HB2. $8,200 per year for HB2. Then scroll down and you can see all the additional costs like accommodation etc. You are right that it is part of the academy. They dance in the same studios as the other levels. I believe the students get the opportunity to dance with the company as students in U.K. ballet schools do but i bet like RB, BRB and ENB they don’t pay them. 
They do mention a stipend payment. My son’s US junior company gave him a stipend payment which worked out at $1,000 per month. He couldn’t live financially independent with this. And this was pre pandemic. But there were no tuition fees to pay like there is at HB2. 
If your child has completed ballet training and graduated then this will be another 2 years of training and money on top with no guarantee of employment. Having experienced my son dancing in the US with the very short seasons, visas, insurance and not being paid all year round I personally wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.
Its so hard. Especially when our children have completed their training and just want to continue to dance. Wishing you the very best of luck with your choices x
 

Just Ballet have one for hire. My daughter wore it for YAGP, it was very lovely. 

4 hours ago, Doing Dance 1 said:

Have you had a conversation with the school/ teacher/s?
 

If students are of similar age and development then this could be an ideal time to limit the use of mirrors in the dance studio.

 

https://iadms.org/media/5781/iadms-resource-paper-mirrors-in-the-dance-class.pdf
 

 

 

 

Fascinating reading on mirrors in the ballet studio. Thank you ☺️ 

But why do all UK ballet schools have them on every wall ? 

It doesn’t have to be your GP. One of our Consultant colleagues did my children’s medical for vocational school 😄

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I though that the DaDa auditions had to be conducted in one audition 🤔

I remember one of Dd friends having a very serious injury before the DaDa audition and being told that because she couldn’t attend she couldn’t be considered. She could be offered a place but not the funding. 

1 minute ago, Peanut68 said:

I think we should hire you to be our 'newsfeed'!! I have never really done FB or Instagram or twitter & feel completely out of my comfort zone....miss the days when you had to just buy a newspaper to hear about job vacancies!

🤣🤣

Im not very good with X and don’t like TikTok but the rest I'm ok with. 
I sent a funny Pug gif to my daughter once, she likes Pugs, and ever since then my Instagram feed has been flooded with the things 🤣 

Same with ballet, I don’t follow all these Instagram ballet dancers or job advertisements, they just pop up. It’s really hard to get rid of them. 
Need to find another interest 🤣

I think it’s essential to have all forms of social media when job hunting.

The difficult part is getting rid of ballet from your feeds when you have moved on 😅

My Ds did GCSE and AS Dance at his College before going to vocational ballet school at 17. We had the opportunity to watch them perform their own choreography one evening at the school before it was assessed. Out of all the ballet / dance I have seen at Dd and Ds’s vocational school I think I enjoyed that evening the most. There was no anxieties, no fear, no competition, just pure love, passion and expression in a supportive and non judgmental environment. The students were all so raw and natural. My son did a beautiful piece to the music from Sam Smiths Writings on the Wall. We were allowed to film from the audience. I still have it on my phone 🥰

I’ve just watched a clip on Instagram that his company has shared of him dancing a pas de deux and the music and the piece reminds me of that evening. 

My two graduate children both did invited auditions and individual auditions within company class in the US and Europe. The company class ones were I feel the ones with the most likelihood of getting a contract. Ds got his first contract from an invited large audition and his second from being invited to join company class after the season had started. Dd flew to the US for a week and managed to squeeze in 3 auditions, all in the same state but that still required an internal flight. She did that solo at 19.
Planning is key. Getting in as many as you can in one trip, being cheeky and asking for company class. Dd got offers of a trainee, not paid, and a contract in her rounds. All just before Covid. 
She attended Houston Ballet Academy on a short term offer from YAGP and didn’t like it. The standard of their senior students was very high and the teaching was excellent but it was Houston itself and the lack of freedom, not getting to go outside much that she didn’t like. There were a lot of restrictions on students for their safety. 
Ds was in a Studio Company in the US for a season, cut short by Covid. It was very expensive. The visa, the flights, deposit for an apartment, health insurance, transport etc etc 

He got paid $1,000 per month. But not over Christmas when they were closed. The season is August to May and then it’s off you go home with no income for 3 months to reapply for your visa again and start the paying out. 
His European contract is paid all year round. He’s been lucky in that it has paid enough for him to survive on and he hasn’t had to leave due to a visa expiring. 
It’s a minefield. But you learn quickly. Especially when you have to do it twice like we did 😅 

Never again 🤣