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She’s so young I wouldn’t be worrying. Regular class and working on her technique is all that’s needed for now. You don’t want her to hurt herself. 
As she gets older she can work on strength and getting more

flexible but there’s no rush. 

On 18/04/2023 at 13:05, tutugirl said:

Our popular Summer School returns this year .

2023 dates are 31st July - 5th August inclusive .

This year we are welcoming Martin Dutton from Hammond School and Barnaby Packham from National Moravian Silesian Ballet Company , along with other prestigious teachers .

The performance in the theatre on the Saturday will either be Swan Lake or Sleeping Beauty .

Ages 6 years upwards - classes are kept small to enable lots of personal corrections . We aim for 12 or less in senior classes .

Ballet , contemporary and repertoire will be taught , also a few jazz classes ( optional )

We offer this to daily students , or can provide home stays if requested .

The venue is Keighley , West Yorkshire.

 

This year we have students coming from Elmhurst , Tring , Moorlands and also locally trained non vocational .

We even have a student joining us from the Czech Republic , which is wonderful .

 

We have received some great feedback over the years - but I’m not sure if anyone is still on the forum who could kindly share their experience?

 

 

We are extremely reasonably priced too !!

Please message me privately if you want further details .

Thank you 

Tutugirl 

What times is this each day please? 

1 hour ago, PetitJeté said:

I agree that wait list just leaves you in limbo, my daughter got wait list for Royal too for the same week as YBS, obviously I’m not expecting either to come up, but you just don’t know. 

Cross fingers for your daughter 

1 minute ago, The red shoes said:

It was merely a suggestion as to why a certain week might be oversubscribed.. only a suggestion. 
I rarely comment on here these days for fear of being lynched or offending anyone unintentionally…

Please don’t take what I said the wrong way or twist it into something it was not . I will not be lead into any more discussion regarding it. 

I suppose when things are written down they can be interpreted lots of different ways. No need for a discussion. 

6 minutes ago, The red shoes said:

Yes this is what I was trying to say .. thanks for clarifying 🙂 

It doesn’t really make sense to me what you said. Plenty of other vocational and non vocational students apply for all weeks. 

1 minute ago, Jan McNulty said:

 

The way I read it is that there will be a lot more applicants for that week as the WL students couldn't apply for the other 2!

I read it as though if WL have applied then many others will be on the waitlist 

30 minutes ago, The red shoes said:

A lot of WL students applied this year for YBS. Due to term dates they are restricted to week 3 so I guess if lots applied for week 3 then that’s why there are lots on the waiting list 

So are you implying that if you’re WL it’s an automatic yes? 

Just now, Jan McNulty said:

 

I assume that you mean that the RBS can train more students or have smaller classes over the 5 weeks?

 

It looks as though the courses for younger children are one week and for older children 2 weeks.  Or do people apply for more than one course?

 

 

They can train more and also have smaller classes. They split up the boys and girls and have less age groups in one class. Yes the older children can do two weeks. 
 

I can understand people’s frustrations that you can do 2 or even 3 weeks at YBS and so many get waitlist. Maybe it’s a good idea that older students are the only ones that choose 2 weeks as I suppose 2 weeks for a younger student is quite intense. 

5 hours ago, sunrise81 said:

Yes my daughter has 2 weeks.......but many older ones apply for 2 weeks.....just like they do for RBS? Should they also limit people.to one week?

 

I know of someone with a bursary with 2 weeks, and someone who has been accepted and is on waitlist for bursary too. I also know of a vocational student with waitlist despite going past 2 years.

 

Tbh I do think the class sizes have increased over the past couple of years so it will be nice to see them reduced again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The difference is that RBS is a 5 week course and not 3 week. 

In my experience the Hammond school is awful when it comes to communication. Which I find very disrespectful to parents and prospective parents of the school. 

1 minute ago, Jan McNulty said:

 

If it is your opinion rather than your personal/your child's experience then, under the terms of the AUP, it is hearsay.

It is my experience and it is not hearsay. 

42 minutes ago, BalletcoForum Moderators said:

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Has my reply been taken down? I stated that my opinion is not hearsay. 

12 hours ago, ThaliaRamy said:

We are not quite sure which summer intensive to go for between central school of ballet, kings international and performance platform uk this year help would be appreciated!

If you’re looking for upper schools I would go with Central so you can experience it. I have no info on PP as it’s the first one but from what I’ve heard I’m sure it will be a good intensive. Unless you’re looking to KI for an actual school for your child, I would question whether it’s worth it. 

On 05/04/2023 at 11:35, Starboymom said:

My DD just got put on short waiting list, he didn’t audition for associate just full time WL. Have they made a mistake? I’m confused 🫤 

I think this is normal. If a no to WL you get offered associates or waitlist for them. 

4 hours ago, mumtotwoballerinas said:

In a lighter note,  it was interesting to see Oscar winning actress  Michelle yeoh came from Malaysia to England at 16 as she wanted to study ballet - at the hammond 

Yes that was in the 80s wasn’t it? Funny to think she came over here for ballet. 

No news here yet. Wonder if they’re doing it in age groups? 

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3 hours ago, Janeparent said:

No, I don’t - that was my point: that was why I asked if anyone did have any data. I was conscious that we both seemed to be basing statements on impressions we had gleaned, which clearly isn’t helpful.

As you have probably gleaned from the forum, gaining real statistical data like that can be problematic and it’s very difficult to get. 
 

You’re probably aware that most forum members post about their experience, and knowledge, which they have gained from years of being a parent to a ballet dancer (where you’re very likely to come into contact with, and hear opinions of, people in the industry). 
 

When comparing ballet schools I think it’s very plain to see (from the forum and the sharing of people’s’ experiences), that Elmhurst have a higher proportion of their LS students entering the US when compared to other ballet schools. 
 

Of course some will be rejected - that’s the ballet journey I’m afraid. Of course others will choose to go for another school, or even a different career completely. 
 

You do not need statistics to glean that information. 

9 hours ago, Janeparent said:

I think I understood you correctly, I was just questioning your assertion: my understanding is that quite a few Year 11 students would like to continue but aren’t given offers. But as I said, I am happy to be proved wrong if anyone has any actual data.

Have you the data to back up your assertion? 

1 hour ago, Millicent said:

I thought that RBS students do the vocational RAD exams on Saturday mornings, same as Elmhurst? 

I don’t think that’s the case as a rule. 

2 minutes ago, Janeparent said:

As far as I am aware, it is inaccurate to say that a “high proportion” go on to Elmhurst upper school. This is not my understanding. It would be interesting to know exact numbers from the past few years to clarify this one way or the other, if anybody has these?

The key point is that it’s not a case of being rejected by Elmhurst upper school that stops the students maybe continuing to upper school (like some schools), it’s getting offers from other places too. And that’s their choice. 
 

My original quote, in context, was about comparison, not just a statement of fact. 

3 hours ago, mumtotwoballerinas said:

I think we are also ignoring the plain fact that many of the successful entrants for year 7 and year 12  have had private coaching with 1 or more professional or ex professional dancers. You only need to look at the successes claimed this year so far for evidence. 

It also has to be considered if you wish your child to continue their associate journey, where are mids and seniors held, will they still be within easy travelling distance. Beware that this may be different for girls and boys. Most primary age children have associates within fairly easy travelling distance, but this may end up being a 5+ hour round trip every week at year 7 and 

Yes it can’t be denied that many children have private coaching now. Which may be financially inaccessible to many. 
 

It’s not necessarily needed though. There are plenty of very good teachers out there, that’s year in year out get their students into vocational school. 
 

A round trip of 5+ hours for any associate program is a waste of money and time in my opinion. Maybe paying for a coach is preferable! 

2 hours ago, Astrid said:

I think the likelihood is most children offered year 7 places will have done an associate scheme at some point simply because it’s popular way of doing more ballet.
However Elmhurst definitely do not prioritise their associates for places at the school. And while most children who get into white lodge will have been a JA there are always examples most years of children who weren’t getting places.  
 

The best thing you can do if you are aiming for a vocational place is to find a really good teacher with experience of training for auditions. And not worry about what everyone else is doing, stick to what works for you. Associate schemes are brilliant but not the be all and end all. 

Yes well said. They’re not the be all and end all. And not accessible to all. Maybe some parents like to convince themselves their children didn’t get a place because they didn’t do the school’s associate program. But it’s more than likely not true. 

35 minutes ago, The Graceless One said:

Hi, I would look at it as - there is no guarantee that just because you’re a JA or young dancer, you’re going to get a place in year seven. There are plenty of children who have never done associates with Royal Ballet school or Elmhurst  and are just what the schools are looking for for year seven, so will be offered a place at this age. I personally would audition for both and see you which one your child enjoyed the most and had the best feel from. It doesn’t matter how well established a scheme is, if your child does not enjoy it there no benefit at all to them being there. They learn better being somewhere where they are happy and where they enjoy being over the name of the place/institution X 

I 100% agree with this. Go for what the child enjoys and what’s easier for you as a family with travel, expense etc. 

Also, to say that doing the associates of a school you want your child to go to and that it will influence them getting a place at that school is    wrong. 
 

So that cuts out all the children that live nowhere near an associates program? Spreading the idea that you need to do the associates to gain a place at the school just puts pressure on families who may be 100s of miles from those schools. 

4 minutes ago, mumtotwoballerinas said:

Tring and Hammond are the same due to limited MDA. An offer of a place doesn't guarantee funding. My DD was offered Tring, but didn't get MDA. Fortunately she was offered MDA for Hammond which she loves. 

I believe one year someone was offered an MDA for Tring days before the start of term and turned it down as everything was bought including uniform for Hammond ! 

It's an issue with the system that there are only four MDA dance schools and two of those only have limited MDA available. 

I agree it is an issue, waiting for funding is awful. 
 

But the reason why is because the MDS are awarded for potential and talent in classical ballet. As Tring and Hammond are mixed genre they have a limited number, compared to RBS and ELM. 
 

What is needed is more CAT schemes around the country with MDS to award. I think Northern Ballet is the only one of the CAT that offers an MDS.