Its her Life Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Pascal was due to graduate in 2014 but has left Tring early to take up contract with Scottish Ballet. He's already started. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Fantastic news for pascal and good luck for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Great news - but do you know if it is short term or permanent, Pascal is not listed on Scottish ballet's website whereas Thomas is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalletDad10 Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I contacted ENBS last week and they said their list should be out soon. Maybe it would be interesting for us to also look at which vocational schools overseas supplied dancers to the major UK ballet companies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 I think that would be better in a separate thread though please. Let's keep this one for graduates from UK schools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its her Life Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Think at the moment, ir's only winter season until Feb, then he's going back to do Tring's third year graduate tour, but not 100% sure. This has all come about very recently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Well it will be a great experience for Pascal and will look good on his CV! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalletDad10 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I've been asked by one of the moderators to start a new thread on another aspect of our research into graduates and ballet companies. I'm going to call it "Overseas Graduates in 2013 Destined for UK Ballet Companies". Please take a look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I have just copied and pasted this from the RAD as they were all Genée finalists - with regard to contracts with Scottish Ballet for the Hansel and Gretal production. "Pascal Johnson has been engaged by the company on a temporary contract, whilst Katie Rogers and Natasha Watson (Genée bronze medallist) are on student secondment from the Royal Conservatoire of Scotland and Ballet West respectively." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I've updated my original post with the details just sent to me from the English National Ballet School. (I'm not sure why the students are in two different groups - does anyone know?) I hadn't realised that a couple of them had joined my son out in Estonia!! He never tells me anything 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwimum6 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Ladies and men 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Ah ha - of course!! Didn't twig because it's unusual to see such a high proportion of men to ladies! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Did I read it correctly; no ENBS Grads going into ENB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwimum6 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Two of the current third years have been given contracts for ENB 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieW Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yes spanner! And that's good kiwi :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzpaws Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So few even get into these schools, which is something DD has to face as she starts her auditions next week. Seems nothing is certain when they graduate either. There seem to be a few apprentices - am I right in thinking this is unpaid ? Did notice at least one is studying at university - would this be to get a teaching qualification, does anyone know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I suppose nothing is certain in this day and age. All kinds of graduates are struggling to get jobs in their chosen subject, so therefor the ballet world is no different. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I agree Tulip. I know how dreadfully small the chances are of getting through Upper School and into the company linked to a school, and any graduate who wants a contract and gets one in any company should be congratulated hugely. It is disheartening though when you have a year when not even one grad gets taken into the parent company though - if a company has no contracts to give that year then that is different. Excellent news indeed about those of this year's third years being given contracts though. :-) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalletDad10 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yes. I was also surprised that ENB didn't offer contracts to any graduates in 2013. I understand that in other countries (e.g. USA), the sole purpose of vocational schools is to feed young dancers into the parent ballet company. Why is it different in the UK I wonder? And if ENB are not taking graduates from their own school, where are they recruiting from? And I note that a few ENB graduates are going to continue their training at Northern. That was also a surprise. For what reason(s) I wonder. And would it be useful to research where 2013 graduates from Northern ended up? And other UK schools, e.g. Rambert. As you can see, I've got a lot to learn… with your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I find the whole thing rather baffling. One would assume that the graduates from a vocational school would be just what the associated ballet company is looking for, since they are being trained with that purpose in mind.. If they aren't, then why aren't they? Very confused 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyG Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Where DS is, there is a school associated to the company and no students were taken into the company last year from the school. So it's not just in the UK where this happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 It's bizarre isn't it? I've tried explaining it to various enquiring relatives recently, and they are totally nonplussed, and can't understand it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Yes. I was also surprised that ENB didn't offer contracts to any graduates in 2013. No ENB School graduates were taken into the ENB Comapny in 2012 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 But Northern Ballet are doing very well with the magnificent Kevin Peoung, Matthew Koon and Mlindi Kulashe joining in 2012 and 2013! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aileen Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Are the schools training for their 'associated' company, though? Even if they wanted to a company could never take all of its school's graduates and so perhaps that is reflected in the training. Regarding ENBS specifically, I think that it has to be remembered that it does not have a lower school and so students come into the school from a particularly wide range of training backgrounds. What interests me is what makes one graduate more appealing to a company than another and why some graduates eg Marceline Sambe at the RB, Joan Zamora at ENB and Kevin Poeung at NB get noticed as soon as they arrive and are given substantial roles straightaway. It is too facile to say "because they are better"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa O`Brien Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Are the schools training for their 'associated' company, though? Even if they wanted to a company could never take all of its school's graduates and so perhaps that is reflected in the training. Regarding ENBS specifically, I think that it has to be remembered that it does not have a lower school and so students come into the school from a particularly wide range of training backgrounds. What interests me is what makes one graduate more appealing to a company than another and why some graduates eg Marceline Sambe at the RB, Joan Zamora at ENB and Kevin Poeung at NB get noticed as soon as they arrive and are given substantial roles straightaway. It is too facile to say "because they are better"? Was thinking of ENBS the other day.Wonder if ,in decades to come,they plan on opening a Lower School eventually ? There would be massive interest for places ,i`m sure. Don`t know where on earth it would be located though.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2dancersmum Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 I've always just looked at it as a ballet company, same as any other company, will recruit those they consider the best/more suited to their company. Given the number of schools as well, who is to say that the graduates ENB take on, aren't those initially offered places at ENBS but who chose to train elsewhere - just using the ENBS/ENB as an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Are the schools training for their 'associated' company, though? Even if they wanted to a company could never take all of its school's graduates and so perhaps that is reflected in the training. Regarding ENBS specifically, I think that it has to be remembered that it does not have a lower school and so students come into the school from a particularly wide range of training backgrounds. What interests me is what makes one graduate more appealing to a company than another and why some graduates eg Marceline Sambe at the RB, Joan Zamora at ENB and Kevin Poeung at NB get noticed as soon as they arrive and are given substantial roles straightaway. It is too facile to say "because they are better"? Aileen...In Marcelino's case (the only one I can comment on ) all I can say is that he absolutely shone from a very young age, technique, facility and a pure love of dance that shot through every pore... and I am thrilled that he is doing so well because he also works very, very hard. Of course being in the right place at the right time and having the right person recognise your talent is key, (along with available contracts)...I'm sure that there are many who are deserving, but overlooked.x 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thecatsmother Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I think it is also important to remember there have been a number of personnel changes at ENB so the relationship between the two may take a while to build again which I think it will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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