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20 minutes ago, Out-the-other-side said:

Our experience (not at RBS) is that schools can offer bursaries and awards to students in receipt of DaDA funding too if they so wish and these can make a considerable difference. The problem is that it is not very transparent about how and why these are allocated - our income remained the same throughout DD’s 3 years of upper school and yet her additional awards increased each year. We never knew why (and we never asked for fear of them saying ‘oops sorry our mistake!’) Not that helpful if you are trying to forecast and budget but there are definitely pots of money available for U.K./non U.K. DaDA/non/DaDA students so it might be worth enquiring about those. 

The key word that jumped out from your post is ‘transparent’.

I think this is a major problem with vocational schools - the award & allocation & ongoing assessments for funding provisions - both via government or own school bursaries or outside patronage - is extremely shrouded in unhealthy secrecy & engenders exactly what you decided was the safer option:- not ask questions.

I have before asked on here about where is the external auditing of this whole process… especially where tax payers money is involved 

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29 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said:

 Is health insurance to cover physios? 

Health insurance is to cover all elements including physio. Some schools etc insist you take out their school policy - at least then you can assume their in house physio & referred to practitioners will be in the approved lists. 
It can be worth asking questions if paying for insurance as often a policy of their own or adding student to any existing family cover can be cheaper &/or provide better cover. Again, worth shopping around! I had kept DC on my cover even after getting school insurance cover provided as part of funding & it proved to have been smart as the school cover was more limited for providers & amounts of physio & during home schooling I was relived that our private cover did mean they could be seen by the best local physio that my Aviva cover allowed but the school AXA didn’t. 
Again, an area to research & ask questions…. Good luck! 

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One other observation...

Going to a vocational school's Summer Intensive is not necessarily the most effective way to get into that school, in the near term.

Finals for places in September, are held in Feb/March.  Places are allocated.  If you turn up in July for a Summer Intensive then the chances of getting a place in September are limited.  Of course there are exceptions & of course visiting the school you ultimately wish to attend is valuable. 

 

If the cost of the Intensive is significant for your family, then you just need to bear this in mind. We live in Australia so attending o/s Intensives  is a luxury we can not afford.  The money is required for attending Finals.

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Thank you, it’s good to know ahead the situation with insurance and also the bursaries - although that seems to be one you can’t entirely plan for. Are American schools the only ones recruiting from summer schools? 

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All of the elite vocational schools, US / UK/ Europe, seem to have Finals in the beginning of the year.  This way, offers are made & accepted by May. The starting point is pre-liminary auditions and/or video auditions from Nov-Feb.  Entry from a summer school into the upcoming September intake is possible but exceptional.

 

At YAGP Australia semi-finals this year, in Aug., it was difficult for YAGP to award entry into schools when the first term was about to start.  The Artistic Directors tended to be on holiday.  They had already filled up their classes.  They did not want to offer a place for the following year as the dancer could have dramatically changed over that time.  The full year scholarships offered were minimal and tended to be for boys.  The AD's did offer a number of short term visits.  I think this is more useful than a summer school as the best timing can be agreed.  The regular teaching staff can watch the dancer over a period of time in a normal class & vice versa. 

 

Invitation to the YAGP Finals in April 2023 Tampa, were also awarded.  There an AD can offer a dancer entry/scholarship in April for the Sept. intake.

Going to the Finals is great but also a very expensive way for an Australian to get in front of a UK or European AD! 

The short-term visit scholarship was our preferred prize.

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16 hours ago, Kerfuffle said:

@TiaramumDo you mean y10/11 in particular?

Yes, RBS now give out offers for years 7-9 (the foundation programme), the students then have to reaudition for years 10/11 where very few of the UK students will be kept on.

Our year group was the first to go through the process and it was horrendous in every aspect. I am pleased to see the communication with current year groups is much more clear and gives emphasis on the fact that it is a 3 year programme and you are now encouraged to apply elsewhere (this wasn't the case for our year group). RBS have taken on the criticism and improved things for those years following us. 

 

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16 hours ago, Kerfuffle said:

@TiaramumDo you mean y10/11 in particular?

Yes, RBS now give out offers for years 7-9 (the foundation programme), the students then have to reaudition for years 10/11 where very few of the UK students will be kept on.

Our year group was the first to go through the process and it was horrendous in every aspect. I am pleased to see the communication with current year groups is much more clear and gives emphasis on the fact that it is a 3 year programme and you are now encouraged to apply elsewhere for year 10/11. (this wasn't the case for our year group). RBS have taken on the criticism and improved things for those years following us. 

 

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@DD Driver Having seen the difficulties of YAGP Australia being in August isn’t it easier to do the preliminary in person audition in Queensland? Was the August semi for 2023 or 2022? I think scholarships often go to boys or juniors at the semis - much harder to get if you’re a senior girl. 
 

@Tiaramum It’s really tough being the guinea pigs! Do they help them get their auditions organised? How early on did they let you know, was there time to get ready? Audition season starts so early in the academic year! 
 

 

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9 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said:

@DD Driver Having seen the difficulties of YAGP Australia being in August isn’t it easier to do the preliminary in person audition in Queensland? Was the August semi for 2023 or 2022? I think scholarships often go to boys or juniors at the semis - much harder to get if you’re a senior girl. 

 

Kerfuffle, sorry I don't know what you mean about auditions in person in Queensland(?) YAGP Australia was in Brisbane and Sydney, in person.

The August YAGP semi-finals are headed towards the 2023 Tampa Finals in April.  They also give out scholarships for short term visits, summer schools & full year. The issue is that it is too close to the start of the year programs, September 2022.  Senior boys are so needed that they can get a full year scholarship (starting 1 month later).  A short term scholarship for a visit however is perfectly fine.  I'm just saying that the easier way to get into a full time program is to start auditioning in the November, leading up to the March Finals and then September entry...

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27 minutes ago, Pas de Quatre said:

If RBS are only offering a 3 year course at Yr 7, I would imagine able candidates with multiple offers will go elsewhere!

I think it’s very rare for an RBS offer to be turned down, despite knowing full well the offer is only for the first 3 years (or in the past, until you pass assessments). It’s rare, but not unheard of. In the last few years I’ve heard/seen of a handful - I can think of only one instance this year where an offer holder opted to go elsewhere. It rarely happens and so in this very small ballet world, it always comes as a bit of a shock to everyone who hears of it and people tend to remember them more (from what I’ve personally observed). 

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Kerfuffle, I see what you mean.  Yes For RBS, Australian dancers can attend the Qld RBS audition in late December. This is a cheaper & more direct route to RBS than going to YAGP Finals in Tampa!

 

Neverdancedjustamum , I think things are changing.  The goal is to be the best you. Sometimes the top vocational school is not going to get you there.  Maybe the training is not right for you or leaving home too early is destabilising ...  Sometimes it can be better to go local /elsewhere & maybe audition much later, for the school that feeds into the company you wish to join. You need to look at the odds and make educated decisions.

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Neverdancedjustamum , I think things are changing.  The goal is to be the best you. Sometimes the top vocational school is not going to get you there.  Maybe the training is not right for you or leaving home too early is destabilising ...  Sometimes it can be better to go local /elsewhere & maybe audition much later, for the school that feeds into the company you wish to join. You need to look at the odds and make educated decisions.
 

Totally agree with the above. It’s best to go in with eyes open - who are the teachers, what is their experience and where did they train? A fancy name doesn’t necessarily guarantee amazing teaching.  If you can find good alternatives to going away then consider delaying it if that’s right for your child and your family. 

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3 hours ago, Neverdancedjustamum said:

I think it’s very rare for an RBS offer to be turned down, despite knowing full well the offer is only for the first 3 years (or in the past, until you pass assessments). 

This is all very new, in the past a few dancers might have been assessed out over the years at White Lodge, but the majority made it through to the end of Yr 11. Over the years fewer have gone on to RB Upper School and most continued training at other British establishments for 6th form or degree courses. With many of these establishments now holding auditions abroad,  it is even harder to get a place.

Now it is a new ball game with the majority of WL leaving at the end of Yr 9.  There are not likely to be many places a ailable for Yr 10 at other Vocational schools, and in many areas good academic schools will have no places either.

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8 minutes ago, Millicent said:

I understand that there were two girls who turned down places at WL this year. I know one has gone to a different vocational school, not sure about the other one. 

I think sometimes an overseas student is offered a place but do not want to leave their families at such a young age especially if they live abroad. The other cases I’ve heard of just chose to train with their current  dance school if their school offers quality training and hours.  I think the influx of international students happens more in the higher years when they’re a bit older and perhaps more ready to live away from their families.  I bet the ratio of local students:international students at year 7 compared to Year 11 (and also upper school) is vastly different. With local students I know in the past places have been turned down as parents didn’t want to risk the stress the child might face of constantly having the possibility of being assessed out hovering over them. I guess this has been eased with the new structure. The first major stress will just be after 3 years. 

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On 22/11/2022 at 06:35, dizzyalice said:

Hi

I’ve only ever commented on one thread on here so I guess you could say I’m still a newbie. My DD is Year 9 and is looking at possibly auditioning for Upper Schools when the time comes. She was a JA and got to Elmhurst auditions finals but in 2020 so because she had decided she didn’t want to live away from home, we didn’t go to the final audition, just as covid was about to start. My question is, I’m not that much of a ballet mum and other than the 4 main schools, which other options are there at 16 years old? We are looking at classical ballet though she also does contemporary, modern, jazz. I’d love to hear of experiences of upper school particularly from those who joined in year 12 from mainstream schools. Have they found it difficult being up against those who may have gone through lower school training? 

 

Hi there, 

My daughter went to mainstream school & applied to vocational schools to start in year 12, she too had a no from Tring ...even before we officially applied! But hey ho !! She now attends The Northern Ballet School in Manchester & is in her 2nd year & loves being there. As others have said there are a mix of ages in each year. The students live in different uni accomodations, which are all very close to the  Dance House & they have flat mates from NBS. First year all students follow a mixed path & then at the end of this year it's decided which is the path then to follow, either classical or jazz focus.

I'm sure you & DD will find the right path for you to take. It's very difficult st 16 but our Dd& Ds do surprise us & do very well !! 

Mj

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14 minutes ago, BalletBelle said:

Slightly off topic but, if anyone has applied to Elmhurst upper school, how long did it take to get a response from your initial application/video/photos?

Last year they extended the deadline to 19 December but we did receive an email with the outcome on the 20 December.  The original deadline was the end of November.  Not sure if this helps at all. 

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