Lizbie1 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Scheherezade said: I shall float the thought that perhaps there was too little plot in The Cellist to flesh out a full length, narrative ballet. I ought to watch the streamed version before I firm this theory up, but I wonder whether she deals better with adaptations of short stories and novels than she does with fresh libretti. I liked Jane Eyre a lot and Snowblind and The Suit very well; but wasn't bowled over by Victoria or The Cellist. (In case it's relevant to anyone other than me, all of these were seen in the theatre from the cheap seats - I have yet to see videos of any.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnstar Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Ian Macmillan said: OK - let me also float cygnets, Big Swans, odd national dances, Shades, etc, etc. Do these not also pad out stories involving a very few characters, and way beyond 65 minutes? For the life of me, I don't see the narrative difference in such devices - style and structure of choreography is a different matter, on which legitimate differences in taste will apply. Those are the parts of classical ballet that I tend to find boring because they don't add anything to the plot. I'd happily watch an hour-long Swan Lake minus most of the swan action! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneMarriott Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 55 minutes ago, Dawnstar said: Those are the parts of classical ballet that I tend to find boring because they don't add anything to the plot. I'd happily watch an hour-long Swan Lake minus most of the swan action! You're a brave person, Dawnstar! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Dawnstar said: Those are the parts of classical ballet that I tend to find boring because they don't add anything to the plot. I'd happily watch an hour-long Swan Lake minus most of the swan action! Liked this not because I agree but because it's so refreshing to see this said aloud! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninamargaret Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Lizbie1 said: Liked this not because I agree but because it's so refreshing to see this said aloud! For me as well one Swan Lake goes,a very y long way! I saw the new RB version, and that will do me for a few years. But I do like most of the bits without the swans!Will now sit back and wait for howls of anguish! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane S Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 Well I wouldn't mind if I never saw Acts 1 and 3 again so maybe there's a deal to be done? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawnstar Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jane S said: Well I wouldn't mind if I never saw Acts 1 and 3 again so maybe there's a deal to be done? Maybe people could pair up & share a seat, so one person sees Acts 1 & 3 and the other sees Acts 2 & 4! Though I personally would want to see the parts of Acts 2 & 4 with Odette, Siegfried & Von Rothbart that advance the plot, just not the endless swan corps parts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) As far as I'm concerned the swans are essential to the plot; they're von Rothbart's other victims, they're princesses to Odette's queen, they express anguish, love, protection, pride, anger, fear, dignity, courage - depending on which part of the ballet they're in and what the music is saying at the time. They make the ballet more than just a personal tale of the prince and the Swan Queen but a story of mythic grandeur and spiritual redemption. Ditch the swans and I'd ditch the ballet. Edited June 3, 2020 by bridiem 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneMarriott Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I've always wanted to shoot the cygnets. They interrupt the section including the lovely yearning pas de deux and some pretty nifty swan action. I know they are popular from the affectionate little chuckles that greet the end of their dance but I can't understand what they are doing there - to me they just kill the mood. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Thank you bridiem. I thought one of the strengths of Liam Scarlett’s Swan Lake was his grip on the narrative throughout, culminating in the power of the released swans and their role in ensuring Von Rothbart’s demise and encouraging Siegfried to recover Odette’s body. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 hours ago, AnneMarriott said: I've always wanted to shoot the cygnets. They interrupt the section including the lovely yearning pas de deux and some pretty nifty swan action. I know they are popular from the affectionate little chuckles that greet the end of their dance but I can't understand what they are doing there - to me they just kill the mood. I see this argument often here - but IMO the mood has already been broken by the applause after the pdd, so I don't really understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneMarriott Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 hours ago, AnneMarriott said: I've always wanted to shoot the cygnets. They interrupt the section including the lovely yearning pas de deux and some pretty nifty swan action. I know they are popular from the affectionate little chuckles that greet the end of their dance but I can't understand what they are doing there - to me they just kill the mood. 1 hour ago, Lizbie1 said: I see this argument often here - but IMO the mood has already been broken by the applause after the pdd, so I don't really understand it. I know lots of people find applause after, for example, a pas de deux an irritating distraction. I don't usually mind it because it is after all an expression of appreciation, although I do get hot under the collar if the dancers concerned indulge in a front-of-stage interlude of bowing and scraping. The deliberate interjection of the cygnets doing their comical little routine is another matter altogether. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, AnneMarriott said: The deliberate interjection of the cygnets doing their comical little routine is another matter altogether. I guess the difference might be that I don't find it a comical routine, at least when the head bobbing is toned down. I wonder whether its reception by the viewer is affected by its appearance in parodies, to which I possibly haven't been as exposed as some. (I also have no recollection of hearing chuckles after it, just pleased noises.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob S Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 On 03/06/2020 at 12:45, Scheherezade said: .... I still feel that Ball was underused.... Not as underused as Anna Rose O'Sullivan, I thought the role would've been better for an Aud Jebsen dancer than a First Soloist!!😆 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheherezade Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Rob S said: Not as underused as Anna Rose O'Sullivan, I thought the role would've been better for an Aud Jebsen dancer than a First Soloist!!😆 Agreed, although hers was not touted as one of the ‘big three’ roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneMarriott Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 19 hours ago, Lizbie1 said: I guess the difference might be that I don't find it a comical routine, at least when the head bobbing is toned down. I wonder whether its reception by the viewer is affected by its appearance in parodies, to which I possibly haven't been as exposed as some. (I also have no recollection of hearing chuckles after it, just pleased noises.) I take your point. I have never been able to take the Dying Swan seriously after seeing the Trocks' version! However I have always found the cygnets comical, and not in a good way. The first time I saw their dance I was reminded in a weird way of Wilson and Keppel (without Betty). It's not just the head waggling but the scampering steps contrasted with what looked like a set of po-faced expressions. After that I'm afraid the cygnets were a lost cause. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Some years ago I attended the funeral of an elderly lady who had been Secretary of a local Ballet Association. Her family didn't know much about ballet, and wanted to honour her love of the art. Unfortunately they chose the dance of the little swans to accompany the pall bearers carrying the coffin out of the church to the waiting hearse. I had a vision of a Monty Python moment where they all break into the petit jetés along the aisle! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmhopton Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Pas de Quatre said: Some years ago I attended the funeral of an elderly lady who had been Secretary of a local Ballet Association. Her family didn't know much about ballet, and wanted to honour her love of the art. Unfortunately they chose the dance of the little swans to accompany the pall bearers carrying the coffin out of the church to the waiting hearse. I had a vision of a Monty Python moment where they all break into the petit jetés along the aisle! I always visualise Eric Morecambe in full Egyptian costume in The Intelligence Men when I hear this music. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewinelake Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 If The Cellist was a weak piece by Marston's normal standards, then I'm very excited by the prospect of seeing the others. While I felt it did sag a little at times, I thought it was terrific - particularly when the three of them danced together. I also loved the music. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Tomorrow 11 June is the last day to see The Cellist via the ROH’s website. I thought it fabulous: and the more I see it, the more I find in it. One of the most moving performances I’ve seen at the ROH. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewCo Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I have long wished I could see The Cellist and finally did at least get to see it via video this evening. Marston's literary/narrative approach to ballet is perhaps not what I most look for in new ballets, but I was very moved by the ballet and would be happy to see more of her choreography (though I fear it will be some time before I see any live ballet again). I had caught Snowblind, also via video, last week and on the whole found the Cellist the "bigger," more consistent accomplishment. Though in both ballets, I thought her ability to make emotional and formal complexity via a pas de trois stands out... Perhaps it goes without saying, especially in this thread, but I will still go ahead and say say that in the broadcasts from the Royal Ballet that I have been able to catch during this strange time, I have been extremely impressed by the quality of the entire company. I'm familiar enough with the Royal not to be surprised of course--but still feel super appreciative. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I finally caught up on The Cellist just before it drops off-line. I absolutely loved this when I was fortunate enough to catch the second performance at ROH. I've loved it again tonight on the small screen. I thought it translated really well onto the small screen and it gave an even better opportunity to see the acting of the dancers close up. How is it that Gary Avis comes on stage and fills it? For me, Cathy Marston has a way of sketching in a character with just a few moves and in this piece she brought the characters beautifully to life. Marcelino Sambé and Matthew Ball were both fabulous in their roles but the piece belongs to Lauren Cuthbertson whose exquisitely moving performance brought me to tears again. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 I also had another look tonight, presumably the last that will be possible until that DVD is issued next year. I have found it increasingly satisfying at each iteration. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Newcombe Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 17/02/2020 at 23:41, Candleque said: The Cellist really moved me. Was not prepared to like it as much as I did. The three principles were amazing as you’d expect. What an experience to bring this to life. One element in the ballet I really liked was the inclusion of Jacqueline as a young girl. Emma Lucano did a beautiful job. At the curtain call, Lauren Cuthbertson took her hand and brought her to the front for a special bow (Hashtag all the feels) I hadn’t realised until today that Emma Lacona had appeared in Arthur Pita’s The Wind in the role of Little Sadie. A talent to watch? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, ninamargaret said: Have just watched it and found I was suffering from such a mixture of emotions, partly the ballet,which I always find a combination of joy,fun,sadness. And then the realisation that normal life, let alone theatregoing, seems to be receding further away all the time. Yes - the section just before the end in particular took on a whole new meaning for me, with Alexander Campbell gently touching the stage of the ROH and all the dancers then scanning the auditorium questioningly, sadly, reflectively. Heartbreaking. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnS Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) Agreed ninamargaret and bridiem . Exuberant and achingly poignant. And when will we next be able to see five couples or be a part of such a group? Edited September 25, 2020 by JohnS Post crossed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance*is*life Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) Did anyone see Dances at a Gathering this evening? I thought it was beautiful! I saw it some years ago by NYC ballet on a holiday in the States and enjoyed it very much then, but even though this was just on my computer, I think the Royal's production was the better interpretation. Maybe it was because I could see their expressions close up, perhaps it was because it was such a wonderful escape from Corona lockdown, but I was entranced by it. The dancers were outstanding! Such a talented cast! I thought that Francesca Hayward was particularly lovely! But of course Naghdi, Nuñez and Kaneko were too. Loved the guys as well of course - fantastic technique and quality. The interaction betwen the dancers was very special and the fluidity and musicality of both choreography and dancing was exceptional. I have bought access to the live stream of the Royal Ballet - Back on Stage performance on October 9th and can't wait. It broke my heart when I read that the Opera House had had to close. I do so hope that the performance will be able to go ahead. This dreadful pandemic is making the world a sad, sad place...... Edited September 25, 2020 by Dance*is*life 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oncnp Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dance*is*life said: Did anyone see Dances at a Gathering this evening? I thought it was beautiful! I saw it some years ago by NYC ballet on a holiday in the States and enjoyed it very much then, but even though this was just on my computer, I think the Royal's production was the better interpretation. Maybe it was because I could see their expressions close up, perhaps it was because it was such a wonderful escape from Corona lockdown, but I was entranced by it. The dancers were outstanding! Such a talented cast! I thought that Francesca Hayward was particularly lovely! But of course Naghdi, Nuñez and Kaneko were too. Loved the guys as well of course - fantastic technique and quality. The interaction betwen the dancers was very special and the fluidity and musicality of both choreography and dancing was exceptional. I have bought access to the live stream of the Royal Ballet - Back on Stage performance on October 9th and can't wait. It broke my heart when I read that the Opera House had had to close. I do so hope that the performance will be able to go ahead. This dreadful pandemic is making the world a sad, sad place...... Additional discussion over on the "Royal Opera House broadcasts parts of its back catalogue" thread 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Not any longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 We already had the comments for the streaming of the other half of this cinema bill, The Cellist, in this thread, so it seems to make sense to move the comments for the Dances At A Gathering stream into this one as well. If there seem to be some continuity errors in the recent postings, it's because they've been moved in from several other threads! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanJL Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Really wonderful to see Dances at a Gathering last night! My first time seeing this ballet properly, having missed it earlier in the year due to illness and only seeing some old YouTube clips from another company previously. This was so much better than I expected based on those other clips. A beautiful ballet and really wonderful performances. It's all different of course, but to me at least this felt a bit like the excitement of the start of a new season. Even if that season will be, initially at least, made up of various types of streamed ballet from different companies. It brightened up my day anyway and I'm looking forward to some repeat viewings and to the many other online offerings coming up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance*is*life Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 (edited) Thank you for moving my post to the correct thread! Edited September 26, 2020 by Dance*is*life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Dances at a Gathering has just come to my rescue ...food for the soul!! We are stuck with a flat battery in a hotel car park waiting for the breakdown services and the time going up by the hour because we are in a safe place we keep going to the back of the queue! It’s now been four hours and with a beautiful blue sky outside really infuriating. Anyway back in hotel room and just watched livestream of Dances and loved it all over again! I saw it in the cinema and live at ROH earlier this year and each time I watch it I see something I’ve missed before. I just don’t think this cast can be perfected just such beautiful dancing definitely my died and gone to heaven ballet ❤️ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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