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20 hours ago, SissonneDoublee said:

The male panellist is normally the lovely Mark Annear. He’s usually so positive and attentive. Could the vibe have been misinterpreted by nervous auditionees?

Agree, usually my DD has a positive experience having gone through the process to for JA and MA before but had a completely different experience last week.

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32 minutes ago, Sally-Anne said:

London results are coming out - an expected no for Finals for us 

Do you k is of London ones that have results? Is that from Sunday 26th?

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Congratulations sunrise81

Is this from Manchester ?

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32 minutes ago, DanceMum83 said:

Do you k is of London ones that have results? Is that from Sunday 26th?

Yes from the Sunday - year 7

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30 minutes ago, sunrise81 said:

Omg!!!! Dd is through!!! Actually in shock after her experience!!

Fantastic news. Congratulations x

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Am I alone in finding it odd (even somewhat insulting?) that no true representative of RBS Upper School is present in all auditions for Upper School places? And possibly same for White Lodge places also in some cases? 

It seems for years now there is the same one individual consistently on the panel who choose for training across all courses from  c. age 8 (?) part time JA courses right up to c. age 19 third year Upper School. That seems at odds to me s surely there is a huge difference across the year groups? Sure, I believe they will be extremely experienced with a good eye but I would expect more specialisation in talent spotting for specific year groups for each audition would be beneficial & certainly more respectful of the young people auditioning & of the parents who have paid a large sum of money....Surely at the very least an actual staff member of each of the relevant institutions (WL or US depending on entry age) should attend all full time course auditions? 

Onevorhee thoght too is by always being seen by dale old person, it reinforces a history of failure woth DC’s vocalising ‘I know they don’t like me’ ‘They didn’t choose me before she’d 9 so why would they now age 15?’ Not setting them into an ideal mindset? Or conversely ‘they did pickme for JA’s or similar so I’m feeling good & confident’ etc etc...

I can echo the responses of well it’s s tough world, they have to be tough, it’s a small world, they’ll constantly come up upon the same people etc etc....but still I do think they could/should ‘shake it up’ a little....don’t remember there ever being a request for feedback on audition experience? And suspect many of us wouldn’t truly trust the anonymity of any survey & worry to be that exposing or complaining parent for fear we jeapardise our DC’s future chances.... shocking we still have this little nagging worry isn’t it in this day & age? It echoes comments made by students in current ongoing ‘HR investigations’ in the profession doesn’t it? In Dance we are trained ‘to always say yes’ We are perhaps all a little guilty of aiding this unhealthy elitist can do what they like attitude.... 

The big wigs all seem to be in attendance at auditions held overseas or where they dish out places/ scholarships/ short term international ‘exchange’ style opportunities. I guess Birmingham/Manchester/London not as glam as Asia/USA.....And I imagine the expenses paid trips (& fees to teach masterclasses & judge?) also help tempt their presence where they actually to get to see potential pupils? 

Will add that I am sure these issues are not unique solely to RBS & I wrote merely as a commentator stating solely my own humble opinions & musings....

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2 minutes ago, Peanut68 said:

Am I alone in finding it odd (even somewhat insulting?) that no true representative of RBS Upper School is present in all auditions for Upper School places? And possibly same for White Lodge places also in some cases? 

It seems for years now there is the same one individual consistently on the panel who choose for training across all courses from  c. age 8 (?) part time JA courses right up to c. age 19 third year Upper School. That seems at odds to me s surely there is a huge difference across the year groups? Sure, I believe they will be extremely experienced with a good eye but I would expect more specialisation in talent spotting for specific year groups for each audition would be beneficial & certainly more respectful of the young people auditioning & of the parents who have paid a large sum of money....Surely at the very least an actual staff member of each of the relevant institutions (WL or US depending on entry age) should attend all full time course auditions? 

The big wigs all seem to be in attendance at auditions held overseas or where they dish out places/ scholarships/ short term international ‘exchange’ style opportunities. I guess Birmingham/Manchester/London not as glam as Asia/USA.....And I imagine the expenses paid trips (& fees to teach masterclasses & judge?) also help tempt their presence where they actually to get to see potential pupils? 

The AD is present at finals, along with a panel of relevant teaching staff from WL or US. With the sheer volume of preliminary auditions that take place, it is amazing that they manage to have even one member of staff that sees every single child, but as far as I know Mr Annear does. The panel is always comprised of associate teachers, who have plenty of experience in knowing what they are looking for. The sum that parents pay covers admin and other fees, such as the teacher’s, pianist’s and panel’s time, rather than being paid as a consumer that is then entitled to a service. I think the majority of dancers come away feeling very positive about the experience, as my DD did, but I am sorry to hear that not everyone has come away feeling that way this year. Hopefully there will be lots more positive experiences to come.

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Ok, but at £65 per child, I think they are more than covering their costs.   Which is fine, but I think you do have a right to expect some sort of service. My daughter had a lovely time, loved the class, but for those who didn’t, I think they are right to be upset. 

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For the boys audition in London they had Mr Annear and two WL teachers who taught the boys at the school. The class was taught by the MA boys teacher so on that day they couldn’t do any better!  

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Leeds College of Music was the first conservatoire to scrap audition fees this year recognising the barrier they can create. Next year when DD auditions I am fully prepared to need to spend upwards of £1000 of which at least £300 will be on fees. For that, and my time, I expect the audition panel to give her the respect of their attention during the process like any professional should. It's not a huge amount to ask no matter how many auditions they sit through.  

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I see the complaining has begun.... Results must be out.

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4 minutes ago, richieN said:

I see the complaining has begun.... Results must be out.

 

Little bit harsh, perhaps, richieN?  People are allowed to comment on their own experiences, providing they don’t break forum rules.

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13 minutes ago, richieN said:

I see the complaining has begun.... Results must be out.

I think that is a rather harsh & unkind comment; totally unnecessary & I am guessing you are not talking from first hand experience ogf being in the same room at the same time as ME & MY DC - ie. you have no firsthand knowledge of the PERSONAL experience I was talking about..nor the sessions others also shared less positive experiences of I’m guessing 

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I’m not sure that’s true - I’m the only one who has reported a no to finals, and I said my DD has a lovely time, which she did. We knew she wouldn’t get in, her feet aren’t right for Royal. She wanted to try anyway. Fair enough. But I think some of the experiences reported here warrant people being upset 🤷‍♀️

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10 minutes ago, Anna C said:

 

Little bit harsh, perhaps, richieN?  People are allowed to comment on their own experiences, providing they don’t break forum rules.

Thank you Anna - I see we may well have been typing at the same toime. 

I trust on this forum we should be entitled to share accurately OUR experiences & express OUR viewpoints - within the boundaries of forum rules, the law of the land & with good taste & decency. I clearly labelled these as my OWN PERSONAL views. 

I stand by MY PERSONAL experience & viewpoint & welcome anyone else to share theirs here.... debate is healthy & I very much hope others experience of this particular event was positive, uplifting & the outcome you hope for!

Incidentally RichieN, no, the results for that date are not yet out.... I precisely wished to share MY views well in advance if these precisely so I could not be accused of ‘sour grapes’ !

Indeed, I soul searched worrying what if it hindered my DC should anyone ‘shop me’ to RBS???? Then I realised that allthis craziness was getting to me of I remotely cared about that!!

Ballet too?!!!

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2 hours ago, Peanut68 said:

Am I alone in finding it odd (even somewhat insulting?) that no true representative of RBS Upper School is present in all auditions for Upper School places? And possibly same for White Lodge places also in some cases? 

It seems for years now there is the same one individual consistently on the panel who choose for training across all courses from  c. age 8 (?) part time JA courses right up to c. age 19 third year Upper School. That seems at odds to me s surely there is a huge difference across the year groups? Sure, I believe they will be extremely experienced with a good eye but I would expect more specialisation in talent spotting for specific year groups for each audition would be beneficial & certainly more respectful of the young people auditioning & of the parents who have paid a large sum of money....Surely at the very least an actual staff member of each of the relevant institutions (WL or US depending on entry age) should attend all full time course auditions? 

Onevorhee thoght too is by always being seen by dale old person, it reinforces a history of failure woth DC’s vocalising ‘I know they don’t like me’ ‘They didn’t choose me before she’d 9 so why would they now age 15?’ Not setting them into an ideal mindset? Or conversely ‘they did pickme for JA’s or similar so I’m feeling good & confident’ etc etc...

I can echo the responses of well it’s s tough world, they have to be tough, it’s a small world, they’ll constantly come up upon the same people etc etc....but still I do think they could/should ‘shake it up’ a little....don’t remember there ever being a request for feedback on audition experience? And suspect many of us wouldn’t truly trust the anonymity of any survey & worry to be that exposing or complaining parent for fear we jeapardise our DC’s future chances.... shocking we still have this little nagging worry isn’t it in this day & age? It echoes comments made by students in current ongoing ‘HR investigations’ in the profession doesn’t it? In Dance we are trained ‘to always say yes’ We are perhaps all a little guilty of aiding this unhealthy elitist can do what they like attitude.... 

The big wigs all seem to be in attendance at auditions held overseas or where they dish out places/ scholarships/ short term international ‘exchange’ style opportunities. I guess Birmingham/Manchester/London not as glam as Asia/USA.....And I imagine the expenses paid trips (& fees to teach masterclasses & judge?) also help tempt their presence where they actually to get to see potential pupils? 

Will add that I am sure these issues are not unique solely to RBS & I wrote merely as a commentator stating solely my own humble opinions & musings....

We had two panelists at the Bath audition; one of whom was the Year 7 teacher from White Lodge

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That’s good to hear about from your Bath audition experience; was that fir WL or Upper School? Thank you for sharing & hope it was a positive experience for all the DC’s there.

 

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7 hours ago, Pups_mum said:

I absolutely agree with you @Yrosered

If people we deal with in everyday life behaved like this would we be so accepting? If a doctor didn't  bother listening would people say "Well have you any idea how many patients she has seen this week, and you really aren't that sick are you?" Or if a regular school teacher gave a class with his eyes shut would it be  "Gosh, he must get sick of having to spend every day with kids, you should be grateful be bothers to turn up at all?" If a checkout operator was rude we would probably complain. If you work in a public facing job there is a standard that your clients can reasonably expect, no matter how tired, bored, hot, cold etc you are. How can we hold shop assistants to a higher standard of behaviour than we do people entrusted with the care of children and young people, simply because they represent an elite institution?

A poster hit the nail on the head in another thread recently, talking about the "humble gratitude" that parents and children are expected to exhibit in these circumstances. Yes, we all know that the performing arts world is tough, but these are children and their parents have paid a sum of money which for some will be a significant amount, for this experience. The should be able to expect politeness as a minimum.

Some sectors of dance education are stuck in a mindset that most of the rest of the educational world abandoned decades ago, and it really does need to change.

Very well said. It really does need to change. 

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3 hours ago, richieN said:

I see the complaining has begun.... Results must be out.

@richieN my son is through to the finals and has always had a really positive experience at his auditions.

 

nonetheless posters are making a valid point about their child’s experience and the approach of the panel.

 

my son is perceptive enough to know that he has been treated ‘differently,’ (not I hasten to add more favourably) because he is an existing RB student. The panel already know him.

He is referred to by name not number and he and another boy were spoken to by one of the panel at the end of the audition.

 

 

 

This must be off putting, possibly disheartening  to other auditionees no matter how resilient they might be.

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Peanut68 said:

That’s good to hear about from your Bath audition experience; was that fir WL or Upper School? Thank you for sharing & hope it was a positive experience for all the DC’s there.

 

It was for White Lodge. My DD really enjoyed the class and everybody seemed to come out smiling as far as I could see. It’s a shame to hear that it wasn’t a positive experience for others though.

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Congratulations to those that have made it to finals! Think just Birmingham’s to come out now good luck to those still waiting 

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15 hours ago, sunrise81 said:

Yep Manchester :) I have one very shocked but very happy DD too!!

 

I take it she has changed her mind about not wanting to take things further ☺️

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Sorry to hear about the negative experiences.  My daughter is a JA at the London centre and auditioned there.  She didn't find they treated the JAs any differently to anyone else at the girls audition.  She only started in year 6 on the 24 session course though so still feels quite a newbie herself and as her teacher wasn't there she didn't know anyone else. Obviously being familiar with the studios was a benefit to her and the fact that a couple of the girls from her class were there too also put her at ease.  It was obviously a nice confidence boost for the JAs to be able to wear their uniform - I was surprised they were allowed to - as there were a large number if you looked at the 3 audition groups we saw (the one before coming out, her one and the group warming up to go in) and I did think that the non JA girls could feel a little intimidated.  I honestly can't remember who was on our panel but it all seemed very nice.

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I'm a bit overwhelmed as my daughter received a yes to a final audition for WL.  She was primarily auditioning for a MA place and really didn't expect to get through so she was shocked but pleased that she has the opportunity to dance again.  Does anyone know anything about the finals?  I noticed that it is over 2 days - is that 2 groups?  How many do you think there might be?

 

I feel a bit out of my depth as we just thought she'd give it a go and haven't even considered it as a serious option.  I know some of the girls from her JA class have auditioned at other schools and we hadn't even thought about it -  I'm now thinking I've maybe underestimated her! 

 

What do you think they are looking for? She is not the most flexible and says most of her JA class do gymnastics and are ultra bendy so she was a bit concerned about that.  Her turnout is ok but not amazing and her feet are ok but not particularly special.  When I put it like that I'm not sure what they saw! 

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46 minutes ago, meadowblythe said:

 

I take it she has changed her mind about not wanting to take things further ☺️

She has. I left it up to her to decide and after speaking to her teacher she said even f it was for the experience she wants to go....never been to WL so why not eh?

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I hope she has a splendid day.  

 

Kudos to your DD for being able to change her opinion.  It's a skill as adults we tend not to always  use ...

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28 minutes ago, BattementBatty said:

I'm a bit overwhelmed as my daughter received a yes to a final audition for WL.  She was primarily auditioning for a MA place and really didn't expect to get through so she was shocked but pleased that she has the opportunity to dance again.  Does anyone know anything about the finals?  I noticed that it is over 2 days - is that 2 groups?  How many do you think there might be?

 

I feel a bit out of my depth as we just thought she'd give it a go and haven't even considered it as a serious option.  I know some of the girls from her JA class have auditioned at other schools and we hadn't even thought about it -  I'm now thinking I've maybe underestimated her! 

 

What do you think they are looking for? She is not the most flexible and says most of her JA class do gymnastics and are ultra bendy so she was a bit concerned about that.  Her turnout is ok but not amazing and her feet are ok but not particularly special.  When I put it like that I'm not sure what they saw! 

Congratulations! They obviously saw something they liked. Could be to do with her body proportions - is she very long limbed?

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