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On 21/01/2020 at 08:56, Millicent said:

Thank you so much for the replies. On balance I've decided just to submit the photos as they are. I'm very much of the mind that if they want her, they want her and a slightly more pointed toe or better turnout in the photos isn't going to affect that. Katia05 thank you so much for sharing that email it was really helpful and reassuring. 

I took my DS pics on my mobile, with little clue about the positions other than the sketches provided and he got in as a JA so I'm sure they are only used as aids in discussion!

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I’ve just looked at the dates out of curiosity but I’ve noticed that for the final upper school auditions, they have a semi final on the Saturday and then a final on the Sunday - has this always been the case? Why would they have 3 stages of auditions for upper but not lower school?

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12 hours ago, SugarPlum2000 said:

I’ve just looked at the dates out of curiosity but I’ve noticed that for the final upper school auditions, they have a semi final on the Saturday and then a final on the Sunday - has this always been the case? Why would they have 3 stages of auditions for upper but not lower school?

Yes , I think it’s been like this for a few years. Last year they handed you an envelope after the Saturday audition to say whether you were called back on the Sunday. Also last year ENBS finals were on the same day so we had to race from Royal over to ENBS . My dd didn’t open the envelope till after the ENBS final . 

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So my dd well and truly hated the audition today. 

1. The Manchester JA teacher coming in and speaking to all the JAs she teaches. Ignores all of the rest of us.

2. In the lesson the teacher uses numbers for students she doesn't know, and names for ones she does. That's really off putting for a 10 year old.

3. Have so many students in the room that at the barre she kicks the child to the right when lifting her leg, and cant lift leg to left as barre on wall next to her is in the way. No space to shuffle along either.

4. Room so hot and not being able.to drink.

If she doesn't get through to finals.she doesn't even want a MA place now as she hated it that much.

Would be interesting to hear what others thought.

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28 minutes ago, sunrise81 said:

So my dd well and truly hated the audition today. 

1. The Manchester JA teacher coming in and speaking to all the JAs she teaches. Ignores all of the rest of us.

2. In the lesson the teacher uses numbers for students she doesn't know, and names for ones she does. That's really off putting for a 10 year old.

3. Have so many students in the room that at the barre she kicks the child to the right when lifting her leg, and cant lift leg to left as barre on wall next to her is in the way. No space to shuffle along either.

4. Room so hot and not being able.to drink.

If she doesn't get through to finals.she doesn't even want a MA place now as she hated it that much.

Would be interesting to hear what others thought.

Oh that’s really horrible. I’m so sorry she felt like that. 😞 

 

I’ve never experienced this with RB (DS has really lovely teachers but then we’re at a different centre) but my eldest DD experienced similar at a one day course with another well known ballet school - it was her first one, she was the required grade (meant to be non-pointe work but as 90% of the class brought pointe shoes a few girls who didn’t were pushed to one side and told to do something else and it became a pointe-work class instead despite the course description saying there’d be none), she said the teacher was cold, rude almost, to those she didn’t already know, and it’s put her off doing any again or even trying out for anything (thankfully she dances just for the joy of it, not with aim of a career in dance, but her words were “I’m never doing that again!”).
 

Might be worth giving them some feedback as that does sound unfair. I hope it doesn’t put your daughter off if she doesn’t make the finals, in future or for elsewhere. 
 

 

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She has Elmhurst finals so all is good :) . That's was a completely different first round audition experience. Huge studio and parents got to see the last 10 minutes of it too.

Not at all impressed with RBS. I will be emailing her JA teacher who will most likely be really sad about it as she is so lovely and supportive of everyone. Other parents said the same things as we were leaving :(

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Gosh Sunrise, I am not surprised your DD was upset. I do some sports coaching  and I was taught very early on in my coach training that a child's (or indeed an adult's) confidence,  and thus performance, can be badly affected if they feel the coach values them less than other participants. Using the names of only some of the children creates a division and will boost the confidence of some whilst damaging the self belief of others, even if that was not the intent.

Obviously a teacher in an audition class cannot learn everyone's names, so they should use no-one's. Every dancer has a number on, which makes it easy to treat everyone the same.

 I know it is difficult to challenge behaviour in such circumstances but I really hope someone feels able to give some feedback. The teacher may be unaware of their own behaviour and how it affects the children, but if this kind of thing is taught on basic sports coaching courses I would really expect an expert teacher to know better.

I hope it hasn't upset your DD too much and that she ends up in the school that is best for her.

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13 hours ago, sunrise81 said:

So my dd well and truly hated the audition today. 

1. The Manchester JA teacher coming in and speaking to all the JAs she teaches. Ignores all of the rest of us.

2. In the lesson the teacher uses numbers for students she doesn't know, and names for ones she does. That's really off putting for a 10 year old.

3. Have so many students in the room that at the barre she kicks the child to the right when lifting her leg, and cant lift leg to left as barre on wall next to her is in the way. No space to shuffle along either.

4. Room so hot and not being able.to drink.

If she doesn't get through to finals.she doesn't even want a MA place now as she hated it that much.

Would be interesting to hear what others thought.

I have to say, we experienced the first point at the London Mids auditions last year too. The existing group teacher came and greeted all the pupils she knew, and at the end of the audition she winked and smiled at a couple of them. My dd didn't take much notice, but I thought it was a bit off to show favouritism when the girls were all equally excited and nervous about going in, and we were led to believe it was a level playing field. Not sure whether it had any bearing on who was selected, but I found it a bit cliquey. At least we'll be prepared this year and have no illusions!

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I’m really surprised at this and agree that it must be disheartening for those not greeted by name.

I’ve helped out in the past with auditions (not RBS) where the helpers/audition panel didn’t overtly acknowledge children that were already known to them. This seemed very fair to me.

Auditions are already so stressful that any feeling of uncertainty or not being as welcomed as others can’t fail to have some impact. 

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Just dropping by to wish everyone "best of luck" for the auditions. 😎

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17 hours ago, sunrise81 said:

So my dd well and truly hated the audition today. 

1. The Manchester JA teacher coming in and speaking to all the JAs she teaches. Ignores all of the rest of us.

2. In the lesson the teacher uses numbers for students she doesn't know, and names for ones she does. That's really off putting for a 10 year old.

3. Have so many students in the room that at the barre she kicks the child to the right when lifting her leg, and cant lift leg to left as barre on wall next to her is in the way. No space to shuffle along either.

4. Room so hot and not being able.to drink.

If she doesn't get through to finals.she doesn't even want a MA place now as she hated it that much.

Would be interesting to hear what others thought.

I'm afraid this was exactly my DD's experience in the Manchester auditions two years ago. The teacher using first names is still something she rants about! She was put off RBS for life which is a shame.

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On 15/01/2020 at 19:40, balletboy8 said:

Does anyone have any thoughts whether pupils have more or less chance of WL if they apply for Y9 vs Y7?

 

 

 

Year 7 has the whole year of places available, so the odds are greater of being successful. The finals themselves are over 2 days due to the large volume of finalists.

 

Years 8, 9, 10 & 11 auditions happen over one day. There are very few finalists, only a few places available each year, and the school has to think very carefully about making sure they have dancers who have solid technique and can keep up with the rest of their year group.
 

However, there are so many other intangibles that can affect your success - rate of growth, how early you started dancing, how experienced you are at auditions, etc etc etc... So I guess what I am saying is - it's up to the applicant as much as it is the conditions of the audition.

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And the whims of the artistic director. If the candidate has sparkle (undefinable) they may have a chance. Don't forget students from other vocational schools often audition for the year 8 to 11 places, some of them get in lots don't. WL is not easy to get into.

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18 hours ago, DancingWellies said:

And the whims of the artistic director. If the candidate has sparkle (undefinable) they may have a chance. Don't forget students from other vocational schools often audition for the year 8 to 11 places, some of them get in lots don't. WL is not easy to get into.

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On 24/01/2020 at 17:16, richieN said:

 

Year 7 has the whole year of places available, so the odds are greater of being successful. The finals themselves are over 2 days due to the large volume of finalists.

 

Years 8, 9, 10 & 11 auditions happen over one day. There are very few finalists, only a few places available each year, and the school has to think very carefully about making sure they have dancers who have solid technique and can keep up with the rest of their year group.
 

However, there are so many other intangibles that can affect your success - rate of growth, how early you started dancing, how experienced you are at auditions, etc etc etc... So I guess what I am saying is - it's up to the applicant as much as it is the conditions of the audition.

Thank you, so much to consider. I'm told DS has the talent but possibly not yet the maturity- it's not for this year anyway so time will tell 😊

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On 24/01/2020 at 19:30, DancingWellies said:

And the whims of the artistic director. If the candidate has sparkle (undefinable) they may have a chance. Don't forget students from other vocational schools often audition for the year 8 to 11 places, some of them get in lots don't. WL is not easy to get into.

DS is very shy so sparkle is a concern- thank you for your thoughts 😊

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Emails for White Lodge finals are out, for the Bath auditionees

 

DD has been invited for final audition in London

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29 minutes ago, TheDanceDad said:

Emails for White Lodge finals are out, for the Bath auditionees

 

DD has been invited for final audition in London

Congrats. It was an expected no for us. Best of luck at finals xx

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Bath

 

I wonder how likely it is that someone who was rejected at the prelim stage for WL is going get MA place? I heard that some WL might also be offered an MA place but wonder whether just to accept a no to WL is a no to MA

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Hard as it is, try not to think too far ahead - one thing that is certain about RBS is that they are a law unto themselves.  No second guessing.  And please don't think WL/MA is the only route to a successful dance career, it's simply not the case.  

 

Try and leave as many doors open as possible for next year, based on what suits your child and their aspirations - not what is considered "best" and take it from there.

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1 hour ago, HopelessMummy said:

Bath

 

I wonder how likely it is that someone who was rejected at the prelim stage for WL is going get MA place? I heard that some WL might also be offered an MA place but wonder whether just to accept a no to WL is a no to MA

  
Definitely not!  Know of several MA’s who have had no’s to prelim WL.

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45 minutes ago, meadowblythe said:

 

Hard as it is, try not to think too far ahead - one thing that is certain about RBS is that they are a law unto themselves.  No second guessing.  And please don't think WL/MA is the only route to a successful dance career, it's simply not the case.  

 

Try and leave as many doors open as possible for next year, based on what suits your child and their aspirations - not what is considered "best" and take it from there.

Thanks. Just wondering, rather than thinking ahead. It'll be nice if she gets offered MA but it's not the end of the world if not. We've learnt to take things in our stride over the years. If anything, this process teaches DD resilience!!

 

Thanks for the other responses. I've not got a clue! 

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