glissade Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 I can only find this one news item. Not sure what to think. Charged not convicted, so only alleged. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6993087/Royal-Ballet-star-61-charged-12-sexual-assaults-three-girls-14.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Stephen Beagley has been found guilty of abusing young girls and awaiting sentencing Daily Mail today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, mart said: Stephen Beagley has been found guilty of abusing young girls and awaiting sentencing Daily Mail today Just to clarify, he pleaded guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 What a shame for this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 When doing Links, we ignore stories that record events that incidentally involve dancers - or, as here, ex-dancers. I trust that people can accept the clarification, above, and move on. There will be nothing to be gained by discussion here. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bangorballetboy said: Just to clarify, he pleaded guilty. What is the difference, does it make him less guilty i feel sorry for his family Edited October 22, 2019 by mart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 "foun 14 minutes ago, mart said: What is the difference, does it make him less guilty "Found guilty" suggests he pleaded innocent but was found quilty by a jury. That was not the case; he pleaded guilty and that will be taken in account when he is sentenced (the normal position is a 33% reduction in the sentence if the plea was entered at the first stage of proceedings). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Pleading guilty does not make him 33% less guilty , the law is an ass to abuse children is a disgrace. Edited October 22, 2019 by mart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, mart said: Pleading guilty does not make him 33% less guilty No-one said it does. There are very detailed sentencing guidelines which the judge will follow. There are a number of reasons why a guilty plea is taking into account in sentencing, including that an acceptance of an acceptance of guilt: i) normally reduces the impact of the crime upon victims; ii) saves victims and witnesses from having to testify; and iii) is in the public interest in that it saves public time and money on investigations and trials. If you disagree with this, I suggest you speak to your MP. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 It's al just really sad he was such a lovely dancer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLOSS Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) mart , The one third discount for an early guilty plea is a pragmatic attempt to persuade defendants to plead guilty at the earliest possible stage of the criminal process and dissuade them from pleading not guilty gambling on the non attendance of the witnesses resulting in their case being dismissed. Rather than relying on variable local practices or the individual application of judicial discretion the rule guarantees a standard benefit for an early guilty plea across the criminal justice system in England and Wales. It has to be remembered that the later a defendant leaves pleading guilty the lower the discount the guilty plea will attract A defendant who only pleads guilty at the courtroom door when he know that all the prosecution witnesses have attended court.will generally, at best, receive a very small discount for his plea. I should like to point out that most ordinary citizens who know nothing about the law find attending court to give evidence a pretty traumatic experience even when they only have peripheral involvement in the case being tried. The rationale behind the sentencing discount is that the witnesses in the case , and in particular victims, have been spared the trial process and the experience of giving evidence and being cross examined on it. At one time the general rule about late pleas attracting a small sentencing discount was modified when late guilty pleas were tendered in cases involving vulnerable victims,child victims and child witnesses who by reason of their age the courts are required to protect. The rationale behind this being that not only is it a disgrace to abuse children it is also a disgrace to expose them to abuse during the court process something that was all but inevitable when a case went to trial and a victim was cross examined. The idea was that the victim had been spared the ordeal of giving evidence. and the defendant should be given some credit for this. Today when there are special measures which can be applied to receiving evidence from children and vulnerable witnesses the court may be less inclined to to give a bigger discount for a late guilty plea than was once the practice in this type of case. Please note I am writing in general terms rather than expressing an opinion on a specific case and I hope that you find it helpful. In general I think that the press and in particular the more popular titles do a very bad job in writing about this country's legal system and that criminal justice system and sentencing are particularly badly served. Unfortunately such news papers much prefer to generate the heat of outrage than to inform their readership. Edited October 23, 2019 by FLOSS 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Thank you Floss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesrhblack Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 23 hours ago, LinMM said: It's al just really sad he was such a lovely dancer. I always used to hope he'd be dancing the Ashton Pas de Quatre in Swan Lake Act 3 opposite Michael Batchelor, ideally with Wendy Ellis and Rosalyn Whitten, and was invariably delighted when he was. Terribly sad indeed ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mart Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 22/10/2019 at 17:23, LinMM said: It's al just really sad he was such a lovely dancer. Sad for the children he abused and their families 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Yes that's why I said it's all sad....sad for the children and sad that he ended up down this road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Not sure this thread has anywhere to go so I'm locking it. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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