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46 minutes ago, HappyTurk said:

Didn't each principal get 4 shows the last run?

I make it Nunez 5, Osipova 4, Takada 5, Lamb 6, and Naghdi 4, the last three named picking up 4 extras between them due to Cuthbertson pulling out.

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1 hour ago, ninamargaret said:

Richard, at the risk of sounding thick I tried to find this on the ROH web site so that I could print it off for a friend. Where is it? I've now printed it off from your posting, but I'm still mystified!

It is not there yet...I rang the Friends number and they told me the information would be there next week but that they could email me the castings pdf.

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46 minutes ago, Richard LH said:

I make it Nunez 5, Osipova 4, Takada 5, Lamb 6, and Naghdi 4, the last three named picking up 4 extras between them due to Cuthbertson pulling out.

Oh wow. Well, if this run mirrors that, I'm afraid there will be little room for many debuts which will be a bummer. 

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1 hour ago, Richard LH said:

It is not there yet...I rang the Friends number and they told me the information would be there next week but that they could email me the castings pdf.

Thanks, all is explained.

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A little reminder that KOH said at the Patrons’ and Premium Friends’ Season Preview that there would be new principal castings in Sleeping Beauty and Swan Lake.

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10 minutes ago, bangorballetboy said:

A little reminder that KOH said at the Patrons’ and Premium Friends’ Season Preview that there would be new principal castings in Sleeping Beauty and Swan Lake.

I suppose then we'll have to sit tight and wait for the promotion news!

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So much to look forward too. I am glad that there are so many performances of the lovely triple bill. Regarding the casting for Enigma am I correct in thinking that at the Royal Ballet, nobody other than Derek Rencher played Elgar for roughly the first twenty years, and that since the 1990s' revivals, only Christopher Saunders has taken on this role. Interesting therefore to note that there will be 3 Elgars in this run. I, too, would have thought that Kish would have been the perfect Elgar, but maybe he will still be dancing the Robert Mead role (Richard P Arnold). I love 3 of the 4 choices of Dorabellas and am hoping to be proved wrong by the fourth! Arestis is as perfect a Lady Elgar as can be seen , unless, of course, you have the opportunity to see Beriosova on film. It be interesting to see what Morera (a surprising, but inspired choice) and McNally make of the Lady. Acri was superb in Wayne Sleep's original role (Wayne Sleep said so)  in the Ashton Masterclass.

 

Regarding Edward Watson, I am hoping he will reprise Carabosse in The Sleeping Beauty. That's the role I have enjoyed him in the most!

 

Thank you Royal Ballet for providing us with such detailed (and luxurious) casting. This feels like a good sign.

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17 hours ago, MRR said:

In spite of her recent Juliet, Stix-Brunell is one of the company's most underused dancers (IMO), but I'm actually more disappointed she's not debuting Swanhilda.

 
My heart is heavy for the beautiful Beatriz Stix-Brunell. She was an utterly convincing and enchanting Juliet. I agree that her sparkling personality seems perfect for Swanhilda. Plus she is an enthusiastic ambassador for the company, as illustrated by this Podcast
 
Would love any insight from the experienced experts here on why she is not getting more main role debuts. Will she be playing harlots and mistresses forever? What does KOH not see??
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18 hours ago, MRR said:

but for both ladies to each have only one performance of such a daunting role is a lot of pressure.

 

The lists we have seen online and as provided by RichardLH do not included Schools and Hamlyn Family Matinees. I would expect that, where dancers appear to have only one, or even no, show, they might be cast  for performances which are not open for general booking. 

[The basis of this assumption is previous well-trod practice!]

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 Why have we moved onto Swan Lake casting in such forensic detail? We were rightly itching for the autumn leads but let's wait until Swan Lake is due.

BTW, I do think that Francesca Hayward will be cast as Odette/Odile this season. Why ever not?

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9 minutes ago, capybara said:

 

 Why have we moved onto Swan Lake casting in such forensic detail? We were rightly itching for the autumn leads but let's wait until Swan Lake is due.

BTW, I do think that Francesca Hayward will be cast as Odette/Odile this season. Why ever not?

Well, we were discussing Swan Lake because of Stix-Brunnel's lack of a debut role in the major roles this Autumn which then lended itself to a discussion on whether that is because she will be debuting in other major roles later on. And as with O'Sullivan, Hayward seems (to me) to be a dancer who is a great fit for Sleeping Beauty, Nutcracker, Coppelia, and Giselle -- but most certainly not Swan Lake or even La Bayadere and Don Quixote. I could go more into detail but I feel like my comments may spark an argument and this isn't the appropriate thread for this topic anyways. So, I'll stop here! 

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I remember when I was a JA all the press excitement about Lesley Collier’s Swan Lake debut and the sneering “more pigeon than swan” comments afterwards. I can understand HappyTurk not feeling sure that Francesca Hayward will be cast in Swan Lake. Without wishing to set one dancer against another, it has been remarkable to see how Yasmine Naghdi seems to have risen to every challenge across the repertoire this season, but I look forward to seeing how Francesca Hayward consolidates on her return to a full season. Her Aurora, Giselle, Manon and Rhapsody have all been memorably exquisite.We are so lucky to have two such outstanding young principal ballerinas and the next generation ofallerinas (Kaneko, Magri, O’Sullivan, Stix-Brunell) is already on the rise....

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53 minutes ago, Candleque said:
 
My heart is heavy for the beautiful Beatriz Stix-Brunell. She was an utterly convincing and enchanting Juliet. I agree that her sparkling personality seems perfect for Swanhilda. Plus she is an enthusiastic ambassador for the company, as illustrated by this Podcast
 

Although neither is a “go to” dancer for me, I also feel so sorry for Yuhui Choe and Melissa Hamilton, taken out of Aurora and Manon. Five years ago, Choe was the dancer chosen to replace Osipova as Aurora. Hamilton hasn’t had RB chances in the classics but her MacMillan work has been much admired. It must be incredibly difficult to maintain motivation as the next generation rises and passes you by when early signals suggested  you were that next generation.

 

 

 

 

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The comments about Lesley Collier's debut in Swan Lake seem rather nasty, but presumably Collier went on to dance the role many times? 

Edited to add a link to a review of Collier's Swan Lake: https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/25/arts/royal-ballet-swan-lake.html

 I know it seems a rather obvious thing to say, but surely we will only know what sort of Odette/Odile Hayward will make when she is given the chance to dance them.   Many dancers who don't seem a natural fit for a role often surprise me greatly when they are given the opportunity.  I can think of several times in the past where the casting of a particular dancer raised many eyebrows, and then they went on to be extremely good.  

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10 minutes ago, Fonty said:

The comments about Lesley Collier's debut in Swan Lake seem rather nasty, but presumably Collier went on to dance the role many times? 

Edited to add a link to a review of Collier's Swan Lake: https://www.nytimes.com/1981/06/25/arts/royal-ballet-swan-lake.html

 I know it seems a rather obvious thing to say, but surely we will only know what sort of Odette/Odile Hayward will make when she is given the chance to dance them.   Many dancers who don't seem a natural fit for a role often surprise me greatly when they are given the opportunity.  I can think of several times in the past where the casting of a particular dancer raised many eyebrows, and then they went on to be extremely good.  

Sorry, I wasn’t entirely clear. There was a lot of negativity about Collier’s Swan Lake debut after the hype,  but she become a fine exponent of the role, and her final Giselle is one of my absolute most treasured dance memories.

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1 hour ago, Darlex said:

Regarding the casting for Enigma am I correct in thinking that at the Royal Ballet, nobody other than Derek Rencher played Elgar for roughly the first twenty years, and that since the 1990s' revivals, only Christopher Saunders has taken on this role.

 

No.  Will Tuckett (I think - or am I imagining it?) and Bennet Gartside have danced it.

 

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Regarding Edward Watson, I am hoping he will reprise Carabosse in The Sleeping Beauty. That's the role I have enjoyed him in the most!

 

Won't happen.  It was made very clear that the current production was only going to have females portraying Carabosse :(   I quite agree with you: one of the good things about the short-lived Makarova version was his and Yanowsky's Carabosses.

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Interesting, though, that Gartside gets a debut * by his first Elgar of the run, and Avis doesn't.

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Oops!  I'm sure Avis has never danced it before.

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17 minutes ago, alison said:

Oops!  I'm sure Avis has never danced it before.

I also thought he hadn't. I think he used to dance the role created for Robert Mead. 

And I think Tuckett played the part made on either Desmond Doyle or Leslie Edwards 

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I suppose all you experienced ballet viewers are used to processing triple bill castings but upon studiying it more closely & realising that due to cast variations there are in fact 6 cast combinations for Concerto & 5 for Enigma Variations I ended up so confused that I've had to put together a spreadsheet to get my head around it! From which I've worked out that I'll definitely be trying to book for 25th October but trying to decide on a second date is difficult. I don't know any of the pieces being performed. Would people say that Concerto or Raymonda is the more important piece in terms of leads?

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5 minutes ago, Dawnstar said:

 

I suppose all you experienced ballet viewers are used to processing triple bill castings but upon studiying it more closely & realising that due to cast variations there are in fact 6 cast combinations for Concerto & 5 for Enigma Variations I ended up so confused that I've had to put together a spreadsheet to get my head around it!

 

 

I resorted to a full set of highlighters :)

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1 hour ago, Dawnstar said:

I suppose all you experienced ballet viewers are used to processing triple bill castings but upon studiying it more closely & realising that due to cast variations there are in fact 6 cast combinations for Concerto & 5 for Enigma Variations I ended up so confused that I've had to put together a spreadsheet to get my head around it! From which I've worked out that I'll definitely be trying to book for 25th October but trying to decide on a second date is difficult. I don't know any of the pieces being performed. Would people say that Concerto or Raymonda is the more important piece in terms of leads?

The Second Movement of Concerto defines that piece for me (Nunez and Pennefather were stupefying beautiful) and re Enigma, The Lady and Troyte so it’s Arestis (will see Morera in the cinema) and Campbell for me ....

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57 minutes ago, Jamesrhblack said:

The Second Movement of Concerto defines that piece for me (Nunez and Pennefather were stupefying beautiful) and re Enigma, The Lady and Troyte so it’s Arestis (will see Morera in the cinema) and Campbell for me ....

 

That Enigma cast is my first choice too - purely on liking the dancers.

 

As far as I can work out unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any way of seeing 3 different casts in the 3 ballets over 3 performances, with 1 of the 3 performances being the cinecast, which I would ideally like to do. Maybe I should take up Sudoku instead, it might be easier than trying to work out these cast combinations!

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23 hours ago, bridiem said:

 

I really really hope that Claire Calvert will be given Swan Lake.

I too hope Claire Calvert is given the opportunity to dance the lead in Swan Lake; she seems to have the amplitude of movement and beauty of line to do this. As others has said, she also seems to be interesting dramatically, with (IMO) the ability to project pathos.  But of course there are only so many shows ...

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Swan Lake casting seems to be a hot topic at the moment. 🙂  I see that some soloists' names are being put forward. 

 

This role is acknowledged to be one of the most difficult in the rep.  Not only is it one of the most demanding technically, it also requires a high level of stamina.  Therefore, I would have thought it was one that is normally danced by those who have reached the very top i.e principals.

 

So, I am interested to know how many times has Odette/Odile been danced at the RB by a dancer who  was not a principal?  I am sure someone on this forum will know the answer!

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Off the top of my head: Bryony Brind, Fiona Chadwick? (Both became Principals), Deidre Eyden, Pippa Wylde in the late 70’s / early 80’s. I’m not sure that Darcey Bussell and Deborah Bull had yet been promoted when they made their debuts and I think Christina McDermott also danced the roles in the Dowell prouduction.

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1 hour ago, Fonty said:

So, I am interested to know how many times has Odette/Odile been danced at the RB by a dancer who  was not a principal?  I am sure someone on this forum will know the answer!

 

2 minutes ago, Jamesrhblack said:

Off the top of my head: Bryony Brind, Fiona Chadwick? (Both became Principals), Deidre Eyden, Pippa Wylde in the late 70’s / early 80’s. I’m not sure that Darcey Bussell and Deborah Bull had yet been promoted when they made their debuts and I think Christina McDermott also danced the roles in the Dowell prouduction.

 

I seem to remember that Sarah Lamb danced Swan Lake while still a First Soloist.  However, I think she replaced an injured Principal and wasn't iniitially cast in the role.

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Bryony Brind was in the corps de ballet when she danced Swan Lake in 1981. (It was the day after my 21st birthday!). She was promoted to soloist later that year (and to principal in 1984). Can you imagine if someone in the corps was cast for SL now? Mind you, it created a lot of excitement even then.

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Ria Peri did a Swan Lake in the 1970s but I can't remember if she was ever a principal.

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19 hours ago, Richard LH said:

It is not there yet...I rang the Friends number and they told me the information would be there next week but that they could email me the castings pdf.

 

I have used the pdf for sending out information to the friends I book for, but did notice what I think is an error.  The Manon on Thursday 17th Oct is listed on the pdf as 1.30, but is 7.30pm on the web.  I would imagine the website is correct?

 

Thanks for posting the pdf, it made life a lot easier for me and many others.  It is still not on the website!

 

 

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