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4 minutes ago, Jan McNulty said:

Why on earth do they start matinees at noon?  If it is supposed to help people in the provinces it most certainly doesn't!!

 

A couple of years ago I booked for an early matinee ... there was a problem with the train and I STILL haven't seen After the Rain live!!!  Since then, I have booked a hotel for the night before, which is an expense I can do without!!

 

Such programming certainly doesn't cater for many people who live outside London.

 

Such early starts are a pain even when you do live in or around London, as you can’t get much done in the morning, apart from getting yourself up to central London - weekend engineering works permitting of course!

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13 minutes ago, Jan McNulty said:

Why on earth do they start matinees at noon?  If it is supposed to help people in the provinces it most certainly doesn't!!

 

It's for the benefit of the dancers.

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7 minutes ago, bangorballetboy said:

 

It's for the benefit of the dancers.

 

I'm not being funny but how does it benefit the dancers?

 

If that is necessary for them but it causes issues for a lot of the audience who would like to watch the performance but who have difficulties with the early start time then perhaps they should not do those matinees?

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23 minutes ago, zxDaveM said:

 

I don’t where you are coming from, going home to, but have you tried splitting the journey? For example, if you can say, get to Birmingham quite cheaply, you can get singles to/ from London for about £7-£8 outside rush hours. You wouldnt even have to change train, if the service went through your in between station

Thanks Dave but I've tried all that. I don't drive so pretty adept at train travel. That really is what it costs - particularly, as Jan says, when the matinees are early starts. For the triple bill matinee on Friday 7 June it is actually cheaper for me to travel mid afternoon the day before and pay for an extra night in a hotel at £70 than to travel down to London on the Friday in time for the 12 noon start.

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14 minutes ago, Jan McNulty said:

 

I'm not being funny but how does it benefit the dancers?

 

If that is necessary for them but it causes issues for a lot of the audience who would like to watch the performance but who have difficulties with the early start time then perhaps they should not do those matinees?

 

It's so that they have more rest time at a weekend.  The matinée usually starts early when it is the only show they are doing that day; on double show days the matinée usually starts later.

 

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9 hours ago, Pulcinella said:

And of the 4 Swan Lake matinees only one is on a Saturday.

 

And 2 of the 5 Coppelias and 1 of the 3 Concerto mixed bills (I haven’t checked the others).

 

1 hour ago, RHowarth said:

As has been mentioned above - it's much dearer to travel on a week day. For me (booking the minute the rail tickets go onsale) a weekday could be £80-£100 each way as opposed to £25 each way on a weekend. Huge difference. 

 

...and not exactly helpful if you’re in full-time employment. I thought one of the ROH’s unspoken aims was to attract a younger audience?

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2 minutes ago, Lizbie1 said:

 

And 2 of the 5 Coppelias and 1 of the 3 Concerto mixed bills (I haven’t checked the others).

 

 

...and not exactly helpful if you’re in full-time employment. I thought one of the ROH’s unspoken aims was to attract a younger audience?

Well I'm 32, I'm never sure if that counts... 

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1 hour ago, RHowarth said:

Well I'm 32, I'm never sure if that counts... 

From my perspective I think that's called early adolescence!

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The 12 noon start is difficult for those of us travelling distances, particularly on a Sat. Trains from Dorset are dramatically cutback at weekends and are so full it’s not always possible to get a seat.  Add in the fact that almost every Saturday there is a demo about something or other, means I have had to give up Sat matinees.  Why London can’t confine demos to a park so that the rest of us can go about our business is beyond me.

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5 hours ago, bangorballetboy said:

 

It's so that they have more rest time at a weekend.  The matinée usually starts early when it is the only show they are doing that day; on double show days the matinée usually starts later.

 

 

I'd always assumed it was down to opera scheduling - either for a long-running one in the evening, or so they could fit another rehearsal of one act of something inbetween the two performances!  But perhaps the two aren't mutually exclusive.

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47 minutes ago, penelopesimpson said:

The 12 noon start is difficult for those of us travelling distances, particularly on a Sat. Trains from Dorset are dramatically cutback at weekends and are so full it’s not always possible to get a seat.  Add in the fact that almost every Saturday there is a demo about something or other, means I have had to give up Sat matinees.  Why London can’t confine demos to a park so that the rest of us can go about our business is beyond me.

 

Whilst I can sympathise with the inconvenience caused - that is surely the whole point of a demonstration. If no disruption, it gets very little if any press coverage. And even then, they only seem to get wide press and TV coverage if violence erupts sadly. And besides, most demonstrations accumulate in a park (usually Hyde Park), and people walk along Park Lane, Piccadilly, St James and into Trafalgar Sq for Whitehall and Downing St. From my own personal experience, using either Charing X or Waterloo, I haven’t been disrupted much at all

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Diverging from the above, I've been told that casting announcements for ballet should be available from this weekend...

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11 hours ago, RHowarth said:

Well I'm 32, I'm never sure if that counts... 

 

Going a bit off topic here but I'm 2 years older than you & I too am not sure if I count a younger audience member or not. By the standards of most opera audiences I'm at the younger end but I've been seeing opera at the ROH for 15 years so am I actually part of the repeat audience that the ROH seem to want to get rid of...?

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Some info from tonight’s Patrons’ & Premium Friends’ Season Preview.

 

The Heritage programme in the Linbury will be RB & BRB and hopefully one more company. It will include 2 Ashton pieces, one of which will be Dante Sonata (BRB).

 

Ed Watson is scheduled to dance in the bit of The Dante Project that is being performed in LA in July.

 

Preludes will have new costumes and lighting, will be just piano rather than full orchestra and may not be all 24 (hence the name change).

 

The new Marston is at least one hour in length. Barenboim wants to be played by someone pretty!  The new Scarlett will be “joyous”.

 

There will be new principal castings in Swan Lake and Sleeping Beauty.

 

No news on the TBC in the final mixed bill.

 

 

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1 minute ago, bangorballetboy said:

The Heritage programme in the Linbury will be RB & BRB and hopefully one more company. It will include 2 Ashton pieces, one of which will be Dante Sonata (BRB).

 

Hurrah!

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The Doncaster event will include a significant outreach project that should involve every school in Doncaster. And, the best news of the evening, the Chance to Dance project is being expanded nationally, and will include a continuing project in Doncaster.

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10 hours ago, zxDaveM said:

 

Whilst I can sympathise with the inconvenience caused - that is surely the whole point of a demonstration. If no disruption, it gets very little if any press coverage. And even then, they only seem to get wide press and TV coverage if violence erupts sadly. And besides, most demonstrations accumulate in a park (usually Hyde Park), and people walk along Park Lane, Piccadilly, St James and into Trafalgar Sq for Whitehall and Downing St. From my own personal experience, using either Charing X or Waterloo, I haven’t been disrupted much at all

Well, you must be using a different Waterloo to me.  I can’t agree that the purpose of a demonstration is to disrupt others lives.  There are many subjects I feel passionate about but I don’t think that gives me the right to ruin people’s leisure time.

 

I cannot use the underground and rely on buses which are routinely re-routed when there is a demo.  Taxis refuse to cross the bridge/ or can’t  get through.  Only two weeks ago a taxi driver told me Waterloo was fast becoming a no-go area.  I am sick to death of an ordinary semi-disabled female of no political persuasion having no rights because I am heterosexual, don’t ride a bike and am not an ethnic minority, a serial protestor or a virtue signaller.

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On 20/05/2019 at 23:35, Pulcinella said:

And of the 4 Swan Lake matinees only one is on a Saturday.

Exactly.

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On 21/05/2019 at 08:43, RHowarth said:

Thanks Dave but I've tried all that. I don't drive so pretty adept at train travel. That really is what it costs - particularly, as Jan says, when the matinees are early starts. For the triple bill matinee on Friday 7 June it is actually cheaper for me to travel mid afternoon the day before and pay for an extra night in a hotel at £70 than to travel down to London on the Friday in time for the 12 noon start.

Oh tell me about it I had a nightmare getting a ticket for that Friday 7/6 matinee because Virgin advance fares on a Friday are not cheap to start with!  Only that I got an offer of 20% off I got a fare for £65. 

 

Royal Ballet are the only company in the UK I know of that have matinees at 12noon all other companies are 2 or 2.30pm.  I am aware that matinee means morning.  In Europe often there are Sunday matinees at 2pm 2.30pm or 4pm.  It's crazy.

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On 21/05/2019 at 09:01, Lizbie1 said:

 

And 2 of the 5 Coppelias and 1 of the 3 Concerto mixed bills (I haven’t checked the others).

 

Returning to this...I’ve now gone through the monthly calendar view for February to the end of the season. In that time, out of 25 available Saturdays there are:

 

2 x main stage opera matinees

3 x main stage ballet matinees (including the Swan Lake Welcome performance, not available to regulars)

1 x RBS Summer Performance

 

Additionally, on the 3 Bank Holiday Mondays (Good Friday being traditionally off limits) there is one “early evening” La Traviata and one Swan Lake matinee.

 

There may of course also be a few Friends Rehearsals on Saturday mornings/afternoons which have yet to be announced, but it is surprising that the Main Stage will be so little used for performances over a six month period.

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That does sound somewhat ridiculous.

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17 hours ago, bangorballetboy said:

There will be new principal castings in Swan Lake and Sleeping Beauty.

 

Sorry to be dense, but by "new principal castings", do they mean:

 

a) new castings (whatever the category of dancer) for the two lead roles (hardly newsworthy, as  it is pretty unlikely the  exact same castings as last time would be proposed )

b) new Principal dancers of the company cast in the lead roles for these productions (definitely newsworthy) or  

c) new castings for  Principal dancers of the company who have not previously danced the lead roles in these productions,or

d) some combination of the above,

 

or something else ? !

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3 minutes ago, Richard LH said:

 

Sorry to be dense, but by "new principal castings", do they mean:

 

a) new castings (whatever the category of dancer) for the two lead roles (hardly newsworthy, as  it is pretty unlikely the  exact same castings as last time would be proposed )

b) new Principal dancers of the company cast in the lead roles for these productions (definitely newsworthy) or  

c) new castings for  Principal dancers of the company who have not previously danced the lead roles in these productions,or

d) some combination of the above,

 

or something else ? !

 

As I'm not Kevin O'Hare I can't be certain, but I took this to mean that the principal roles in the named ballets (i.e. Odette/Odille and Siegfried and Aurora and Prince Whateveryouwanttocallhim) will be danced by people who have not previous danced those roles with the company.

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2 hours ago, bangorballetboy said:

 

As I'm not Kevin O'Hare I can't be certain, but I took this to mean that the principal roles in the named ballets (i.e. Odette/Odille and Siegfried and Aurora and Prince Whateveryouwanttocallhim) will be danced by people who have not previous danced those roles with the company.

Yes that makes most sense! I was over-thinking this...

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On 21/05/2019 at 21:04, Dawnstar said:

 

Going a bit off topic here but I'm 2 years older than you & I too am not sure if I count a younger audience member or not. By the standards of most opera audiences I'm at the younger end but I've been seeing opera at the ROH for 15 years so am I actually part of the repeat audience that the ROH seem to want to get rid of...?

Actually I found ROH audience age is much better distributed than the rest of places I had been. Partially because there are many art students in London and partially because many tourists put RoH on the list of thing to do in west end...

 

Well I started my opera years when I was 21-22 in SF war memorial opera house. I could hardy find anyone of the same age as me or even anyone without grey hair.

 

In ROH I often make the opening night of a ballet on the front row of Amphi to get a overall view then pick some other dates to sit downstairs. Usually the front row of the opening night is a treat, surrounding by real fans:)

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It appears that the Period 1 casting will not now emerge until next week “due to unforeseen circumstances”.

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11 minutes ago, capybara said:

It appears that the Period 1 casting will not now emerge until next week “due to unforeseen circumstances”.

 

Hmmm. Probably the admin assistant who was meant to publish it is off sick.  But I suppose it COULD mean a senior dancer is joining or leaving the company that we don't know about yet...

 

All will be revealed soon enough.

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Pricing now seems to be fully visible for the Autumn season.

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On 21/05/2019 at 08:35, Jan McNulty said:

I'm not being funny but how does it benefit the dancers?

 

On 21/05/2019 at 08:51, bangorballetboy said:

 

It's so that they have more rest time at a weekend.  The matinée usually starts early when it is the only show they are doing that day; on double show days the matinée usually starts later.

 

 

On 21/05/2019 at 13:52, alison said:

 

I'd always assumed it was down to opera scheduling - either for a long-running one in the evening, or so they could fit another rehearsal of one act of something inbetween the two performances!  But perhaps the two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Well...even if it is for the benefit of the dancers, the thinking seems to have spread to the opera company too: with the exception of Alice’s Adventures Under Ground (which is I think very short), their Saturday matinees all start at 12pm as well, with no obvious reason.

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17 minutes ago, Lizbie1 said:

Pricing now seems to be fully visible for the Autumn season.

 

Thanks, Lizbie1.  I've just had a quick look and have noticed that the Beauty prices are back to Swan Lake Levels for some areas of the House.  £30 for restricted view front side amphitheatre seats!  I can, sort of, understand why they felt the need to do it for a new production but Beauty is not new!

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