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4 hours ago, AnneMarriott said:

As a vegetarian I find neighbours' barbecues just as bad!

 

As a non-vegetarian I generally just wish they'd invited me! 😄

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BBQs I find better as the smell tends to be short lived and during the day time - but a strong smell of  smoke at 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 pm and later is horrific. Last night it was not smoke that woke me but voices with an extremely loud c0nversation between two men that went on from 2 to 3 am - should be said , I live on the edge of a village and it was not near neighbours or any of the eldery who live inbetween us and the main part of the village. From what they said I think they were in a hot tub - I think half the village must know their opinions on bald men now!

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On ‎11‎/‎08‎/‎2020 at 13:09, zxDaveM said:

Flies.

Those big black/green buzzy ones - as soon as I open the back door a crack, or a window, its as if they are queuing up to come inside, where they frantically buzz around bumping into things - everything apart from the way out....

 

Not to mention the manic moths which insist on buzzing me the minute I walk into the room, or fluttering madly round the place.  Usually until they suddenly drop into the washing-up water while I'm washing up :( 

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On 10/08/2020 at 13:43, alison said:

And, having just wasted well over an hour when I should have been working trying largely unsuccessfully to move money into and out of various online accounts, I'd also like to nominate all those people who seem to design internet banking to be as complicated as it can possibly be.  As a few examples, the bank/building society which:

 

And I now have to add the bank where I opened an online ISA because it has (comparatively) excellent rates and accepts transfers in from my ISA which is currently paying 0.25% :( , because it doesn't appear to tell you anywhere, or make it obvious, how you set up a transfer-in (I know you have to do those via the bank you're transferring into, not the one you're transferring from).  More hassle as I wait potentially up to 3 working days for a reply to my secure message ...

 

Plus the building society which, like every other institution where I've ever opened an online account, sent me what I thought was my new account details by email.  Except they weren't - they were its account details, which I have to use for setting up payments-in, quoting my account no. as a reference.  Having not been informed of the account details when I set it up, I only realised the discrepancy when I logged into my account and thought the account no. looked wrong!  So the little test sum I transferred over to make sure everything was set up properly has probably gone missing.  Let that be a lesson - if you're setting up a new payment, just transfer over £1 or something first and wait for confirmation that that's arrived in the right place before you send any larger amount!

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I know wasps were added earlier in the year but I’m making sure they go back in to Room 101. 
 

It was looking to be a bumper apple harvest but the wasps have other ideas. 

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People who wear masks on their chins and take them off to chat to people and people who wear them and think it means they can move as close to others as they like. My niece has found the same thing where she lives too. You would think this wretched epidemic was over or had never happened the way some behave! 

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I think it depends where it is. If it’s on public transport it’s more of a concern as the person might be on the seat behind you and if non mask wearing and talking  for any length of time especially if 20 mins plus on a journey that could be of some concern. 
If however you are briefly passing somebody in a shop or in the street who is doing this it’s very unlikely they will pass any virus on if they had it. 
Sometimes in shops if I’m trying to read labels and have to put glasses on to do so I have to pull mask down below nose briefly as glasses get steamed up and none of the usual suggestions put forward to remedy this work...or haven’t so far. 
I think it has to be remembered that it takes 15-20 mins minimum ( can be more) for somebody to pass on the virus to you and only if very closely in your company....that’s why friends and family are the most likely to pass on if you are not careful enough etc though of course this is a big ask within private households I’m certainly not keeping 2 metres from my partner!! 
It’s unlikely while out shopping to be honest but I would say something to somebody if standing in a queue in a shop where social distancing has been dropped ( some are still very good with marks still on floor etc) if not wearing mask properly because in places like Tesco queue could well be 15 mins or so. 

It’s a lot easier for people who travel to shops in cars ( maskless) and then put on for shops ...some people may have 30-60 min journey on public transport first before get to shops and then back home again so wearing mask for a lot longer than others. 
I only wear as little as have to I take off as soon as outside of a shop and carry by ear strings ( not a chin wearer as it’s too irritating on the skin) then put on again next time I need to. I’m never worried just passing people in the street though. 

 

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4 minutes ago, LinMM said:


I think it has to be remembered that it takes 15-20 mins minimum ( can be more) for somebody to pass on the virus to you and only if very closely in your company....

 

 

What is this based on?

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1 hour ago, Fiz said:

People who wear masks on their chins and take them off to chat to people and people who wear them and think it means they can move as close to others as they like. My niece has found the same thing where she lives too. You would think this wretched epidemic was over or had never happened the way some behave! 

You beat me to the post Fiz. Just arrived back from Sainsbury's and there were quite a few with masks on just below their noses. I really don't understand why, if people are able to wear a mask, they can't wear it properly. Then there were others wearing them correctly who pulled them onto their chins to have a conversation with someone. Surely it's not too onerous for people, with the exception of those who have a valid disability which prevents them from wearing a mask, to wear one for the relatively short amount of time needed to do their shopping. The majority of the customers would have travelled by car, (the area I live in in the South West has poor public transport links and is very expensive) so masks/coverings are only needed in store. My elder daughter, a paediatric nurse, wears a mask (several) for her entire 12 hour shifts, along with plastic aprons and gloves on a very hot ward. Now that must be uncomfortable. 

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I've been thinking the same, after my last Sainsbury visit. I walk to the store, and pop my mask on before entering. I know I don't have the virus, as I've barely interracted with anyone since mid-March, barely leaving the house (except for the Sainsbury visits and a few long walks a week) - just feel its civic unity to wear one, and so encourage those that MAY have to virus, to do the courteous thing as well.

Whilst roaming the aisles - the majority, say about 2/3rds, wearing masks properly. Lots of people with no mask - may have valid reason, or just be a knob. Many people with mask over mouth, but not over nose - just stupidity. And the worst, those warming their chin/neck area - they might as well not wear it and have done with it. Saw a couple of the cashiers in the latter category. Don't envy them I can't deny, having that on all shift. Perhaps the supermarkets could provide them with comfortable ones instead

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I am also going to add our solicitor who is making a very simple land sale into an endless dragging saga which has been going on since January. They don’t answer emails either.

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It’s based on numerous scientific articles have read over the past few months perhaps you can look it up too? 
It is a consensus of what most virologists are saying though you won’t find them ALL in agreement!! That to get enough viral load you have to be in somebody’s company for at least 15-20 mins which is not that long in fact! It’s generally agreed by them that if you just pass somebody briefly unless you were unfortunate enough for them to sneeze or cough all over you it’s highly unlikely you would pick it up. 

In some narrower isles in supermarkets it’s very difficult not to walk down it without passing somebody a bit close. The other day I just wanted one thing from an aisle as we were finishing off the shopping I could see it but there was a lady there in a dilly dolly daydream and I had to hover around waiting for her to make up her mind ( in normal times I can be a bit like this on occasions but am super aware at moment not to linger unnecessarily) just so I didn’t have to go too close to get my item. If people are spending ages and ages in isles then sooner or later someone is going to end up reaching past you to get on with their shopping ....it’s why we are all wearing masks isn’t it? So that if it’s difficult to keep the 2 metre distance all the time the masks if all wear them are to protect everybody. 
 

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7 minutes ago, LinMM said:

It’s based on numerous scientific articles have read over the past few months perhaps you can look it up too? 
It is a consensus of what most virologists are saying though you won’t find them ALL in agreement!! That to get enough viral load you have to be in somebody’s company for at least 15-20 mins which is not that long in fact! It’s generally agreed by them that if you just pass somebody briefly unless you were unfortunate enough for them to sneeze or cough all over you it’s highly unlikely you would pick it up. 
 

 

I have tried to look it up. I can't find it. 

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Close contact for potentially being infected by someone with COVID includes:

close face to face contact (under 1 metre) for any length of time – including talking to them or coughing on them

being within 1 to 2 metres of each other for more than 15 minutes – including travelling in a small vehicle

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/when-to-self-isolate-and-what-to-do/

 

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17 minutes ago, JohnS said:

Close contact for potentially being infected by someone with COVID includes:

close face to face contact (under 1 metre) for any length of time – including talking to them or coughing on them

being within 1 to 2 metres of each other for more than 15 minutes – including travelling in a small vehicle

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/when-to-self-isolate-and-what-to-do/

 

 

Thanks. Saw that. Doesn't address the statement.  Let's agree to disagree. 

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Sorry I couldn’t post a reply because my previous post was in the reply box and the only way I could get rid of it was by submitting post again perhaps moderators can get rid of repeated post I have no idea why a post I’ve already submitted should remain in the reply box!! 

Anyway the WHO ...just one source ...stated in July and again in August that the ways of transmitting to others apart from picking up from surfaces somebody may have coughed or sneezed on are by direct coughing and sneezing on a person hence the 2 metre rule etc but also from being in somebody’s company if they are just talking and you are within 2 metre distance and especially in a small confined space..like lifts, cars, public transport if no windows open basements without air flow, etc etc The droplets from talking can hang around for about 15 mins and the smaller and less well ventilated the space the more they can hang around. 
But the viral load is crucial too. That’s why it’s reported only today that where viral loads are really high as in hospitals etc ( though not so much right now) staff still catch it even with correct PPE!! 
If somebody actually  has the virus the longer you spend in their company ...if within the 2 metre distance ..the more likely you will become ill too as your viral load will be higher. That’s why it spreads quickly within families. 

 

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I think what they are saying is if you stopped to speak very briefly to someone who had the virus they would most likely not pass on enough viral load from just talking if only for a few mins but if you stayed chatting for 15 mins or longer they might well pass on  enough viral load for you to catch it. 
To be on the safe side of course don’t talk to anyone ...within the 2 metre distance... ...outside your own bubble!! 

 

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And I found an article that said that the particles could stay in the air for up to 3 hours!

 

I think the upshot is that masks are here to stay and we've just got to get on with it.

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2 hours ago, LinMM said:

Sorry I couldn’t post a reply because my previous post was in the reply box and the only way I could get rid of it was by submitting post again perhaps moderators can get rid of repeated post I have no idea why a post I’ve already submitted should remain in the reply box!! 

 

It does happen from time to time, no idea why.  But there should be a "Clear editor" option - or if there isn't, just hold down Ctrl+A to select all the text, and then delete it.

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Many people are wearing masks all day every day of the working week, including some kids who are in schools which include this in their risk assessment. I don’t understand why adults can’t just wear them properly around the shops etc. It’s not really temporarily removing to catch your breath, de-fog glasses etc that’s the problem, many people have them permanently on chin or under their nose! I thought everything that may cause an aerosol is high risk, it doesn’t take 15 minutes- coughing, sneezing, talking loudly, spitting. And yes I’ve been close to people doing all of those things with no mask, there seems to be a correlation! Certain places/ shops I will just avoid..

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Recommended PPE for the majority of NHS staff is either just a face covering or at best a fluid repellent surgical mask. I’m not sure whether anyone has caught covid whilst wearing full PPE- properly fitted and in date respirator mask, visor, apron, gloves etc? I guess you could contaminate yourself taking them off but I thought the masks were over 99% effective

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The item was on the BBC news website 2 days ago now. Saying that where there was risk of very high viral load even nurses in correct PPE could still pick up the virus. 
But of course back in March April I think in some hospitals ( not every single one!) nurses were not able to renew their PPE often enough so maybe this contributed. 
I don’t know whether as coughing or sneezing is more explosive it transmits the virus more easily and further etc but the 15 min rule seemed to apply to people talking. (Not everybody shouts all the time!!) But obviously it would depend on the amount of viral load being passed by any individual and exactly how infectious they were at the time. 


 

 

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PEOPLE WHO DON'T PICK UP THEIR DOG POO!!!

 

I was on the beach this morning when a couple with a GSD-type dog on a lead just walked off when their dog had finished its elephant-sized poo.  I called after them and, of course, they ignored me.

 

I can understand people not chasing after their dog's poo when it is in a wild area that is very unlikely to be trodden on ... but on the beach where people walk, play, dig sandcastles etc.

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Very good of you to try to get the owners to clear up Jan. If you had your camera would you take photos and contact the appropriate local council? I’m despairing of the littering/dog waste problems and can’t help thinking well publicised prosecutions are required but councils are stretched and don’t have the resources to collect evidence.

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Jonny Wood, Borrowdale, historic wood with ancient walls.

 

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But left pillar spoiled by dog waste bag.

 

No sign of dog and owners so didn’t have the quandary of calling them out or taking photos. 
 

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1 hour ago, JohnS said:

Very good of you to try to get the owners to clear up Jan. If you had your camera would you take photos and contact the appropriate local council? I’m despairing of the littering/dog waste problems and can’t help thinking well publicised prosecutions are required but councils are stretched and don’t have the resources to collect evidence.

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Jonny Wood, Borrowdale, historic wood with ancient walls.

 

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But left pillar spoiled by dog waste bag.

 

No sign of dog and owners so didn’t have the quandary of calling them out or taking photos. 
 

 

I spoke to a member of the ranger service who said they have no powers to enforce clearing up.    I only had my phone with me and by the time I pulled it out they were too far away for a photo to be any good.  It seems to me that this has become much more of an issue since lockdown started for some unknown reason.

 

And why people hang used bags up is absolutely beyond me.  They would have been better off letting the poo lie.

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I was up in Borrowdale last week (it's the most perfect place in the world) - climbed High Spy via Tongue Gill from Rosthwaite, so walked near to Jonny Wood. Then did the ridge walk from High Spy to Cat Bells & down into Keswick. Up on the ridge (bits of which were like the M6 with very badly equipped walkers) I counted THREE black bags with dog poo. 

 

Just left on the side of the footpath.

 

What are people thinking??? My thoughts were unprintable, but involved closing the Lake District to ignorant day trippers & people who walk their dogs off the lead in fields with stock in them.

 

But what should we do about such ignorant filthy people? I considered whether I should have picked up the poo bags and carried them with me down the fell to deposit in a bin in Keswick - except I didn't have an extra plastic bag in my day pack - just my water, my OS map, and my Wainwright.

 

Ugh it was nasty.

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I have to say that whilst I pick up litter when out walking and will often fill my rubbish bag with orange peel, banana skins and other detritus, I draw the line at dog waste/used tissues, unless on an organised and equipped litter pick. 

 

I put something about littering on a walking Facebook site and was pleased to see the support. I’m hoping that enforcement authorities will take action.
 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1443502369240434/permalink/2738068236450501/
 

Sorry about the dog waste and crowds Kate. I did a similar walk on August Bank Holiday Saturday, setting off early, and Cat Bells was a continual procession at 9:30, fortunately when I was heading down. Complete contrast on the Sunday when I didn’t pass anyone for the first 5 hours when on Bessyboot/Rosthwaite Fell until getting to the main Glaramara path and then only a few people.

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Trying to book a blood test (because of course you can't just do a walk in anymore) on the health authority's new combined booking system: "your call is 125th in the queue" :o

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