grey Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, alison said: It's actually the second time, although I think the first (with Watson) was a recording rather than a live relay. I didn't know it had been shown in cinemas (presumably just in the UK?) before - was the recording the same as the 2009 one that was issued on DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Yes (unfortunately, as I actually thought Watson's second season in the role was his least good one. I remember thinking that I wished they'd waited for his third). I seem to remember it showing somewhere around Feb/Mar time, despite having been recorded at the beginning of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) The first filming of Mayerling with Watson was a film which was shown in cinemas, including The Odeon, Covent Garden (in 2009?). Watson himself was in the audience, suitably equipped with a drink and popcorn. Edited August 30, 2018 by capybara 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 ... and I think with his hands over his eyes much of the time, from what I remember? I'd forgotten that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toria Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 It was filmed again in 2013 I think and shown on the BP big screens. It definitely wasn’t the same 2009 recording but it was Watson again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Hello Toria and welcome to the Forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toria Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Jan McNulty said: Hello Toria and welcome to the Forum! Thank you, Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I’d give my eye teeth - if they hadn’t been removed by the orthodontist - to see Ed Watson dance Rudolf although I did see the great Johan Kobborg dance the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Well, as indicated somewhere above it is at least available on DVD. I hope they're not going to issue another one: I think two is probably all the market can bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, Toria said: It was filmed again in 2013 I think and shown on the BP big screens. It definitely wasn’t the same 2009 recording but it was Watson again. Welcome to the forum, Toria. Yes, that was Mara Galeazzi's "retirement" performance. I spent the first two acts outside in Trafalgar Square and then moved inside for the third so I could say goodbye. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmeralda Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 On 26/08/2018 at 17:48, penelopesimpson said: Oh, and does anyone know if Ed Watson is fit again?????????? This would also interest me: it is actually my fourth try to see Ed Watson in this role, so I really, really hope that he is fit again! Who knows if there is a chance for an another attempt... 2 hours ago, alison said: ... and I think with his hands over his eyes much of the time, from what I remember? I'd forgotten that. Haha, I would have loved to see this. I guess it is really weird to see oneself on a big screen if you aren´t used to it. Otherwise I have to completely agree with the others about Morera/Bonelli: I saw them the last time and was blown away! Everybody who didn´t see them should try to get some tickets. I absolutely loved them so I got tickets again for this time even when I have not really the time (and money) for a second Mayerling this season. Compared to them I wasn´t so convinced of McRae even when I am a big fan of him. But I will definitely watch the live realy in cinemas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Welcome to another newbie - Esmeralda! I hope you manage to see him - heck, I hope we all do! I was gutted to have to miss two of his performances last run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmeralda Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Thank you alison for your Welcome! And I keep my fingers crossed that definitely we all have the chance to see him (again)! I would also like to apologize ahead for any mistakes since I am not a native speaker. I try my best but certainly there are (and will be) the one or the other error creeping in, I am really sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Your English looks pretty good to me, Esmeralda - certainly better than I could probably write in, well, more or less any foreign language, I guess. Don't worry about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmeralda Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Aw, thank you for your kind words, Alison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saki Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I see, so McRae's is only the first live relay of Mayerling, not the first cinema showing. According to the ROH database, there were two principals also dancing Rudolph in the 2009 run who were younger than Watson - Soares and Pennefather. Their names don't appear in the previous run in 2007, so I assume they were debuting in 2009? If that's the case, then like McRae, Watson was also the youngest principal who was not a debutant in that run to dance Rudolph. So we have an Interesting coincidence - both dancers being filmed for the cinema Mayerling at age 32 to 33, in their second seasons, and both the youngest non-debutant Rudolphs. Are we looking at the beginnings of a formula for cinema Rudolphs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliceinwoolfland Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Has anyone seen McRae in Mayerling and liked him? I could only afford to get one ticket and picked him due to scheduling, and am regretting it based on the comments 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mallinson Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Review here: https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/intelligence-nuance-and-white-hot-energy-royal-ballets-mayerling-reviewed/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Thanks for that, John. I really enjoyed reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beryl H Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 22 hours ago, aliceinwoolfland said: Has anyone seen McRae in Mayerling and liked him? I could only afford to get one ticket and picked him due to scheduling, and am regretting it based on the comments 😕 Yes, I saw him dance with Akane Takada last time, it was only his second performance and he had to dance with a different partner as Sarah Lamb was suddenly injured, even in those difficult circumstances it was an incredibly exciting performance. I've booked to see them again this time! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmeralda Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 15 hours ago, aliceinwoolfland said: Has anyone seen McRae in Mayerling and liked him? I could only afford to get one ticket and picked him due to scheduling, and am regretting it based on the comments 😕 Don´t worry about it - I am sure you will definitely enjoy the evening! I wouldn´t say that I didn´t like McRae in Mayerling, just that I preferred Bonelli. Nevertheless it was great to see McRae in this role and I am glad I got to see him. And you`ll never know: maybe you will be absolutely thrilled! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizbie1 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Is it just me or is Mayerling selling relatively slowly this time? I'm not going this time round because it's not that long since its last appearance and because the casting is too similar. Maybe others feel the same! (It's also rather a long run.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Lizbie1 said: Is it just me or is Mayerling selling relatively slowly this time? I thought the same. It's come back a tad too soon. When the RB had Fille in April/May 2015 and then opened the 2016/17 season with it, there was a similar problem, I recall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanartus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I know ...I still feel they could have come up with a fresh cast...I was hoping for Campbell or Ball plus Hayward. I’d have liked Osipova as Larisch and Naghdi as Mitzi K, and and Heap as the Empress. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanartus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I should say I regard Marie Larisch as my fave role - I remember Merle Park - the shades to her characterisation - incredible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanartus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 OMG - Ferri as Larisch!!! ...ok I’ll stop now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penelopesimpson Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 23 hours ago, capybara said: I thought the same. It's come back a tad too soon. When the RB had Fille in April/May 2015 and then opened the 2016/17 season with it, there was a similar problem, I recall. They can have it every season for me! For those seeing Macrae, I am sure you will enjoy the performance. He brings a lot of energy and technical assurance to the role and never looks remotely tired in what is a flawless performance. My problem (apart from an addiction to Watson and Kobborg) is that I just don't think its the right role for him and others do it better. As for the younger Principals being given a chance, I think it is wise to wait until they are older and not just for the physical demands of the choreography. It is a mature role that requires many nuances in the characterisation which somehow sit better with slightly older dancers. Even the wunderkind Polunin did not, for me, manage to capture the depth of feeling and total despair that Rudolf needs to exhibit. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 17 hours ago, penelopesimpson said: They can have it every season for me! Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninamargaret Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, Sim said: Me too! Heresy but I'd happily ditch Swan Lake for Mayerling at any time! Will now run for cover!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Wall Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, ninamargaret said: Heresy but I'd happily ditch Swan Lake for Mayerling at any time! Will now run for cover!! As was so graciously said to me hereabouts by a certain someone - - but in reverse ... HANDS OFF SWAN LAKE. Edited September 3, 2018 by Bruce Wall 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xandra Newman Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Oh I so agree! Any world class ballet company can not NOT have Swan Lake in their repertoire! It is the ultimate classical ballet and the roll of O/O the greatest test for any principal ballerina to pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxDaveM Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, ninamargaret said: Heresy but I'd happily ditch Swan Lake for Mayerling at any time! Will now run for cover!! ooh - no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissMonk Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) On 27/08/2018 at 21:56, saki said: Hello, everyone This is my first post. Here in Asia, I'm almost entirely dependent on the ROH cinema relays to keep up with the company, and I don't usually have the luxury of seeing multiple casts, so the casting announcements for the cinema relays are always a big event for me. I've not actually seen Mayerling the ballet, so I may not appreciate the full extent of the disappointment expressed here over McRae being filmed instead of Bonelli, but I do share it, because of the raves I've read here, and because I generally prefer Bonelli's subtlety as a performer to McRae's style, and most of all, because there are only so many cinema relays a year and I don't know when or if I'll get to see Bonelli (and Morera) again before they retire. Still, I think it's fair to point out that if McRae has had "more than his fair share" of cinema relays, then so has Bonelli. From notes on cinema casting that I've kept over the years: ----------------------------------------- 2011-12 season Romeo and Juliet - Bonelli La Fille mal gardée - McRae 2012-13 The Nutcracker - McRae Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland - Bonelli 2013-14 The Nutcracker - Bonelli The Sleeping Beauty - McRae The Winter’s Tale - Bonelli (Polixenes) and McRae (Florizel) 2014-15 Manon - Bonelli Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland - Bonelli and McRae (Madhatter) 2015-16 Romeo and Juliet - McRae Tchaikovsky pas de deux - McRae Rhapsody - McRae Frankenstein - Bonelli and McRae 2016-17 Anastasia - Bonelli (act II pas de deux) The Nutcracker - Bonelli The Dream - McRae Rubies - McRae Woolf Works - Bonelli and McRae 2017-18 Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland - Bonelli and McRae (Madhatter) The Nutcracker - McRae Yugen - Bonelli ---------------------------------------- Incidentally, in the last season, McRae would have had two more relays if he hadn't been injured - The Age of Anxiety and Winter's Tale - so it's understandable that there's a sense that he's dominating the cinema casts. But that's not quite true, and in the upcoming seasons, not just the next, I expect to see as much of Muntagirov and Ball. In any case, for the coming cinema season, I'm hoping against hope that I'll at least see Morera and Bonelli in the Pite/Wheeldon/Cherkaoui triple bill. I too relay heavily on the cinema relays from ROH. I haven't read the rest of the thread yet but I'm pretty sure I'm one of the few actually excited for McRae's broadcasts. I make it no secret I am a fan of his (and Lamb especially together), but that aside, casting is not a democracy and the ROH is a company that seeks to make money. Just look at their social media stats and you'll see both McRae and Nunez are amongst the most followed ROH dancers by people world wide so it makes sense that they are cast in more broadcasts. People world wide who can't get to the opera house wants to see them. It makes no sense to spread the broadcasts out more evenly. Casting, ballet, and life isn't fair especially where money is involved. If we want to talk fair I don't think its fair to put down the dancers just because they're popular and get more broadcasts. They're popular for a reason, because they're talented and good at marketing themselves and people want to watch them. I get that people are upset and want to see others in the roles but that doesn't mean you need to put down the other people. On a side note with all the lamenting of Bonelli/Morea not getting enough broadcasts compared to McRae, Nunez, Lamb, and Ospiova - No one seems to be commenting on the increased number of Muntagirov broadcasts in the past year. Or that principals like Kish, Campbell, Hirano, and Soares rarely has any at all. Also if you want to get technical, McRae has 20 cinema broadcasts where he played the lead in case you were wondering. Not including that "Fall of the house of Usher" which is a really weird one, and 5 that i know of where he was minor parts like Bratfish in 2009's Mayerling. Though I would have liked to see Bonelli in this role as I very much like him. I do apologize in advance if i have offended anyone, I just wanted to give my 2 cents on it. 20 Mins Later: Ok I read the rest of the thread. Good points everybody. I still stand by mine but meh. Lets just wish them all a great season and call it a day. Edited September 4, 2018 by MissMonk 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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