capybara Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) Congratulations to Kevin O'Hare CBE. Edited June 8, 2018 by capybara 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Congratulations, too, to Gary Avis MBE. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odyssey Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Yes congratulations to both- so well deserved. But another opportunity lost to award David Bintley with a knighthood. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Particularly happy for Gary Avis! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 And I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that Zenaida Yanowsky can now be called Lady (Keenlyside)! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I'm happy for O'Hare and Avis - disgraceful that David Bintley hasn't been acknowledged! But can I just say that I am ecstatic about Sir Kenny Dalglish - so well deserved, we are all so proud! ⚽👍 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sharon said: I'm happy for O'Hare and Avis - disgraceful that David Bintley hasn't been acknowledged! But can I just say that I am ecstatic about Sir Kenny Dalglish - so well deserved, we are all so proud! ⚽👍 Completely agree on all counts! Thrilled and delighted about Kenny. (Sorry - Sir Kenny!). The King is knighted. Edited June 9, 2018 by bridiem 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mallinson Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 44 minutes ago, Sharon said: I'm happy for O'Hare and Avis - disgraceful that David Bintley hasn't been acknowledged! I'm sure this has been said before but it's entirely possible that he been offered honours and refused. Some do! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, John Mallinson said: I'm sure this has been said before but it's entirely possible that he been offered honours and refused. Some do! He does have a CBE though, so he can't be entirely unenamoured of the honours system. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, John Mallinson said: I'm sure this has been said before but it's entirely possible that he been offered honours and refused. Some do! Yes 'some do!' - who knows? It was just my opinion.. Anyway it's Sir Kenny that's got my attention! 🤩 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I am so happy for the truly lovely Gary Avis. He does so much charity work as do many of the dancers. I’m glad that is being recognised. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Q Fan Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 On 09/06/2018 at 00:58, bridiem said: And I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that Zenaida Yanowsky can now be called Lady (Keenlyside)! Can you elaborate for me please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 She’s married to Simon Keelyside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Fiz said: She’s married to Simon Keelyside. Baritone, who was knighted. (Maybe one day she'll be a Lady in her own right too! Wonder if she'd then be Lady Lady Keenlyside Yanowsky? Perhaps not. ) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Probably worth noting that Hofesh Shechter has been made an honorary OBE. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 17 hours ago, bridiem said: Baritone, who was knighted. (Maybe one day she'll be a Lady in her own right too! Wonder if she'd then be Lady Lady Keenlyside Yanowsky? Perhaps not. ) Almost three times a lady.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 ..... as she most certainly is ....... save that, in her own right - a consummation devoutly to be wished - she would surely be a Dame? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 On 10/06/2018 at 16:39, bridiem said: Baritone, who was knighted. (Maybe one day she'll be a Lady in her own right too! Wonder if she'd then be Lady Lady Keenlyside Yanowsky? Perhaps not. ) She could end up being a Dame (although that doesn't seem all that common for dancers these days, and it would depend on her being a British citizen which I don't know whether she is); I don't think there's any way for her to become a Lady in her own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, Melody said: I don't think there's any way for her to become a Lady in her own right. By being elevated to the peerage! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, bangorballetboy said: By being elevated to the peerage! Now that would be nice! I'd actually had Dame in mind, forgetting that they aren't called Lady... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, bangorballetboy said: By being elevated to the peerage! Yes, well, I meant in the real world. It's hard enough for dancers to be made dames these days, never mind life peers. OTOH, when I wrote that I was thinking more in terms of Lady Zenaida, which wouldn't be possible (that I know of), rather than Baroness Keenlyside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Melody said: OTOH, when I wrote that I was thinking more in terms of Lady Zenaida, which wouldn't be possible (that I know of), rather than Baroness Keenlyside. Possible, if highly improbable - if ZY's father or mother were raised to the peerage at the level of Earl or above! Strange that you suggest Baroness Keenlyside, rather than Baroness Yanowsky. There is a dancer in the Royal who is married to the heir apparent to a barony... And let's not forget Anya Linden is a baroness and Moira Shearer was a lady! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, bangorballetboy said: There is a dancer in the Royal who is married to the heir apparent to a barony... Pleeeeeease don't offer us titillating hints like this BBB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 16 hours ago, bangorballetboy said: Possible, if highly improbable - if ZY's father or mother were raised to the peerage at the level of Earl or above! Strange that you suggest Baroness Keenlyside, rather than Baroness Yanowsky. There is a dancer in the Royal who is married to the heir apparent to a barony... And let's not forget Anya Linden is a baroness and Moira Shearer was a lady! Well, quite apart from the fact that I didn't think hereditary peerages were a thing any more apart from in the royal family - wasn't Margaret Thatcher the last PM to be ennobled? - there's also the issue of having to be a British citizen, which I'm fairly sure her father isn't. Baroness Yanowsky just sounds weird. Although, and I'm sure Ian MacMillan would agree, Dame Zenaida Yanowsky has a very nice ring to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) I think that, if Zenaida Yanowsky was going to get a gong for her dancing to date, it would have come last year. Whereas Principals once had OBEs or CBEs, Edward Watson received an MBE. Maybe those on here who have ambitions for Zenaida will have to be content with Sir Simon and Lady Keenlyside - unless, that is, she adds significantly to her CV in the arts world or in terms of charity. Edited June 17, 2018 by capybara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 The handing out of honours to dancers has in many cases seemed to me rather arbitrary, could the current dearth have something to do with fewer principals being British? I think Doreen Wells, the current dowager Marchioness of Londonderry holds the loftiest title for a dancer, but of course John Gilpin married a princess, albeit a foreign one. Another male dancer used to be in a long term relationship with a baroness, but sadly they never made it to the altar. I can't think of a dancer holding any sort of hereditary title other than through marriage though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melody Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 10 hours ago, capybara said: I think that, if Zenaida Yanowsky was going to get a gong for her dancing to date, it would have come last year. Whereas Principals once had OBEs or CBEs, Edward Watson received an MBE. Maybe those on here who have ambitions for Zenaida will have to be content with Sir Simon and Lady Keenlyside - unless, that is, she adds significantly to her CV in the arts world or in terms of charity. Oh, I don't have ambitions, I know that these days a person would have to spend half a lifetime running a major company in order to have any chance of being made a knight or a dame; I was just saying that it had a nice ring (unlike Baroness Yanowsky, which sounds like a character in Mayerling), not thinking it would ever happen. Maybe part of the problem with high-level honours in ballet is that a dancer's career tends to be short so you don't have 40 years of top-level performance to merit a CBE or whatever like an instrumentalist or singer would have. Fonteyn getting a damehood in her 30s was a real outlier. de Valois and Markova didn't get their DBE until they were in their 50s and had founded major ballet companies. Probably the loftiest title for a dancer is held by the King of Cambodia, who used to dance and teach ballet in Europe before his father abdicated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Pigeons Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 I rather like the idea of Dame Marion Tait. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Macmillan Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Something that appears to have passed us by is that Deborah Bull, former Royal Ballet Principal, has been made a Life Peer. I'm no expert here, but I assume that, as she will not be a Member of an Order (other than the CBE that she already holds), an elevation of this sort is not conferred by the normal Honours List. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/News-Article.aspx?id=102e4d3d-00b9-4a0f-8d99-d967fc850092 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Wow - congratulations to Deborah Bull! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridiem Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ian Macmillan said: Something that appears to have passed us by is that Deborah Bull, former Royal Ballet Principal, has been made a Life Peer. I'm no expert here, but I assume that, as she will not be a Member of an Order (other than the CBE that she already holds), an elevation of this sort is not conferred by the normal Honours List. https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/News-Article.aspx?id=102e4d3d-00b9-4a0f-8d99-d967fc850092 Gosh! That's wonderful. Why have none of the dance organisations reported it?! (Or if they have I've certainy missed it.) Congratulations to her! P.S. I've just checked her Twitter account and she doesn't even mention it as far as I can see. (She has simply posted various congratulations to others awarded honours!). That's what I call modesty. Edited June 17, 2018 by bridiem 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Well, congratulations indeed! "Deborah Bull CBE, Vice President/Vice-Principal (London) at King’s College London, has today been made a peer for life by The Queen in recognition of her authority on public engagement with, and the impact of arts, culture and the creative industries." I didn't know she'd risen that high in the hierarchy at KCL. I notice there's no actual reference to her career in ballet in the article 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangorballetboy Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 16/06/2018 at 11:03, bangorballetboy said: There is a dancer in the Royal who is married to the heir apparent to a barony... Something today made me check on this, and I discovered that said dancer is now indeed a baroness. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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