JulieW Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 2 hours ago, proballetdancer said: Well there you go, she didn't get into the school and her turnout wasn't sufficient for a career. Quite, but it didn't stop her from being asked to audition by our local teacher, nor actually get into JAs. She had a fantastic time with some wonderful opportunities with them, so I'm glad she auditioned. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 My Ds was a RBS JA and is now in vocational ballet school. He did not have flat turnout 150/180. My DD went to vocational ballet school lower and upper and had better turn out 165/180. Both have, long limbs, long neck, strength, passion, musicality and performance. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracle Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I believe it is a balance of different strengths and skills that are sought for.x 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola H Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 32 minutes ago, Miracle said: My Ds was a RBS JA and is now in vocational ballet school. He did not have flat turnout 150/180. My DD went to vocational ballet school lower and upper and had better turn out 165/180. Both have, long limbs, long neck, strength, passion, musicality and performance. that fits with stuff i have heard come out of the mouths of ex principal dancers and ballet masters ... although some companies do want their lines of 'little <TLA school / awardign body> robots' ... despite some of their more memorable works and dancers not fitting that ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proballetdancer Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Okay, by 'top school' I meant Royal Ballet School, by company I meant Royal Ballet. I'm not being quarrelsome for the sake of being so. But did any of those children without the perfect physique make it into the stream of school and company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mummy twinkle toes Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Two of the best ever...Anna Pavlova and Margot 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mummy twinkle toes said: Two of the best ever...Anna Pavlova and Margot Good point - sadly, fashions (and what ADs look for) have changed, and with them, physical requirements. Anyway, we are drifting quite a way from Raquelle's original question. Could we get back to JAs and JA auditions, folks? Thank you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mummy twinkle toes Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Yes will do just wanted to point out not everyone has flat turnout but can still make it. Misty Copeland does also not fit the Balanchine fashion. Go for J.A. audition and do not forget there are other associates too👯♀️ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junedancer Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, proballetdancer said: Okay, by 'top school' I meant Royal Ballet School, by company I meant Royal Ballet. I'm not being quarrelsome for the sake of being so. But did any of those children without the perfect physique make it into the stream of school and company? And on the other side not all those with full turn-out, great flexibility, ideal ballet body, great musicality, been through JAs, offered scholarship places for the other vocational schools in the UK get offered a place at RBS. If you don't try you will never know and getting in is just the start as you strive to stay at the top throughout your training and professional life, should you get that far. Good luck to everyone applying this season be it for associates, vocational or summer schools. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, proballetdancer said: Okay, by 'top school' I meant Royal Ballet School, by company I meant Royal Ballet. I'm not being quarrelsome for the sake of being so. But did any of those children without the perfect physique make it into the stream of school and company? I can sense from your posts you are frustrated proballetdancer but please have patience with many of us as this ‘ballet world’ is like another planet so we are still adapting to the new ‘landscape’! Getting selected into WL and having a rich and varied dance career are two separate things. The former does not guarantee the latter. WL may assist you with an easier passage to US and the RB company that’s for sure. There are beautiful and talented dancers training in the UK right now who may never have been selected into WL when they were younger just as there are dancers who did get selected who are no longer in training and have left ballet all together. It is a tough road but no one should give up before they have begun just because they didn’t get into WL. Edited February 5, 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balletlife4me Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 19 hours ago, proballetdancer said: Well there you go, she didn't get into the school and her turnout wasn't sufficient for a career. 19 hours ago, proballetdancer said: Yes, flat turnout is mandatory for entrance into the top ballet schools and companies. It's the first thing looked for in potential students. It's not a question of whether or not you start late, turn out capacity is something you're born with, a late starter can have a career is they have the physique, Michael Nunn started at 17. But the mandatory requirement is turnout. It's not an aesthetic, it's the position from which all ballet movement starts from. The aesthetic comes from the technique. I cannot say this enough, full turnout capacity is mandatory for entrance into the top vocational ballet schools and companies. My dd doesn’t have flat turnout and has been at a top vocational school and an associate with rbs so may not always be essential! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harwel Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, ravasmum said: Getting selected into WL and having a rich and varied dance career are two separate things. The former does not guarantee the latter. And the latter does not depend on the former. Many roads to Rome, the RBS is but one school and the RB is one company. Of course they are world class and have very specific requirements. Absolutely no point in my ds auditioning for RBS as does not have flat turnout, regardless of other attributes he has, doesn’t mean he can’t have a successful dance career, just not one at RB! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadowblythe Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Oh, to add to the conundrum, whilst having flat turnout, extreme flexiblity is a no-no. My DS was a JA, does have flat turn-out but on finals day at WL was escorted off to see a physio before he even started class. His teacher had sent notes in advance .. not hypermobile but questions about core strength. I still feel, for many reasons, that he would have stood a better chance of getting into WL if he hadn't been a JA. However, it hasn't stopped him having a varied and rewarding time at vocational school, further training and a full time job in ballet (albeit not with the RB!) 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoglett Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Thank you for your words of wisdom. Was getting quite down cast. Good luck Raquelle and please keep us informed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raquelle Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Thank you all so much for your replies. Someone mentioned other associate schemes and I am open to suggestions - I’ve been looking but we are based in Cardiff and I can’t find anything local...ballet Cymru don’t take associates till age 12! rbs Bath is the closest I can find but if anyone knows of any closer ballet schools I would be interested. I think Birmingham might be too far every weekend but Bath is just over an hour so doable!! Thanks x 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshy Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 There is cecchetti associates in Newport, audition date is June 24th. Class is once a month on a Sunday and you don’t have to studies the cecchetti method! We are just west of Cardiff and it takes us 1hr 30 for the 70 mile drive to Radstock x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mummy twinkle toes Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Cecchetti in Newport take from 8 years old. They are very accommodating and there is a variety of dancers that attend ranging from JAs to recreational. Each month is a different teacher and my Dds enjoyed immensely and were sad to leave but other opportunities came along. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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