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32 minutes ago, alison said:

Well, the implication from the wording as I read it was that he wasn't in the right place, not that any of the technical staff made an error.

 

I can’t comment on whether he was in the right place or not, even though I was there.  Nothing appeared to go wrong to us in the audience.

 

The whole show, dancing and emotion imparted to the audience was fantastic.  The other principals alongside Sergei also contributed fabulous performances - Ksenia Ryzhkova, Prisca Zeisel and Emilio Pavan.  Wish you could have all been there, but it was sold out in 45 minutes of going on sale!  In fact I was only able to get a standing ticket, and was then able to upgrade a few days before to a stalls ticket, row 10 in the centre.  The best view ever.  There were queues of people wanting tickets on the night, including my spare standing one.

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Well, a friend of mine was at that performance; she also saw what Angela saw, ie: that he was in the wrong place for the scene change and that it was evident. She also felt he was not focused during  his performance, with a lot of technical sloppiness. He was also announced for the stage call which was attended by the public - his name was on cast sheets I believe - and then he pulled out of that commitment literally at the last minute, leaving Osiel Gouneo to step in without any preparation.I am not sure that kind of behaviour is going to be welcomed in many places, other than Munich where he has a free pass it seems as a result of his friendship with Zelensky....

 


 

 

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FionaE - you’re a scream! You really are now having us on! C’mon, you can drop the pretence now, who are you really? You’ve been rumbled! 

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9 hours ago, FionaE said:

 

So sorry, I obviously misread your yawns as boredom with the discussion, rather than negativity to Sergei, which of course you are entitled to.

 

And yes the Crimean school is going to be an interesting story to follow.  The setting is absolutely beautiful.  We in the West have a narrow perspective of Russian / Ukrainian issues.  I for one feel I’ll-informed to comment either way on that.  The history of Crimea’s changing ownership goes back many centuries, most of the last 200 + years it has been part of Russia. 

Well, about ready for a change then -you know, explore other creative opportunities, that sort of thing

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2 hours ago, Vanartus said:

FionaE - you’re a scream! You really are now having us on! C’mon, you can drop the pretence now, who are you really? You’ve been rumbled! 

You are either Vladimir Putin or Jeremy Kyle

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4 hours ago, penelopesimpson said:

You are either Vladimir Putin or Jeremy Kyle

 

Actually I was as taken in by English press negativity about Sergei as many of you are.  I was put off by the stories of drugs and scared by the tattoos -why scared?  They are not on my body.  

 

And then I saw him dance on YouTube (clips from all the classics including Macmillan and Ashton), the Dancer movie, Take Me To Church.  I spent hours online.  Oh my word what had I missed.  And now I have seen him dance live too.  I cannot explain in words

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4 hours ago, penelopesimpson said:

You are either Vladimir Putin or Jeremy Kyle

 

I studied ballet with Merle Park, Shirley Grahame, June French, Mignon Furman amongst others.  I doubt very much that Jeremy Kyle or Putin did!

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I myself am looking forward to see Polunin on the 1st of June. I saw him  first about 10 years ago, when he still was a young boy from the ROH and Johan Cobborg brought him along with the others for Verdensballet concerts to Denmark. His willingness to dance impressed me a lot. Then I had a chance to see him in " Giselle" together with Natalia Osipova in La Scala ( I liked Natalia more than him) and later I saw both Natalia's programme where Sergei was engaged and Sergei's programme with Natalia's participation ( again, Natalia was superb everywhere but after watching Sergei's back for a long time while he was just sitting on the big ball, I became to wonder if I should ever see him again). So actually I wasn't much into him, and I don't fancy tattoos either. I didn't initially plan to buy tickets for his Palladium concerts. Why did I change my mind? Well, somehow after reading different interview and articles about him, I got more interested in watching him dance again. "Rasputin" piece was an additional plus for me to buy the ticket - I want to see how will Sergei depict the personality of this ominous figure in his dance. He seems to be very sincere about his doings. And I believe it's up to him what does he do with his body, even if he prefers to put a Putin face on it. IMHO the art is above politics.

 

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Putin has no need to study.  He is a natural.

 

Been thinking about the British press.  By and large they have been remarkably indulgent to Sergei and are largely responsible for the 'bad boy' image that he has traded off for years.  Sure, the dance critics have been less kind but how else are they to describe Project Polunin?  I think he has constructed a whole image from the press and should thank them.  He will soon be the oldest bad boy in town.

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Polunin left the RB in January 2012, and @FionaE suggests he was stifled, the RB wasn't allowing people out to guest, etc. As @alison said earlier, that's not accurate.

 

Just down here with Australian Ballet, we've had Kobborg and Cojocaru for Manon (I think their last one together?), Benjamin, Fonteyn a gazillion times, McRae, Galeazzi, Ashmole...and more, all pre-2012. All these are off the top of my head, if I did some actual research I know there would be many more 

 

I suggest, dear Fiona, that you apply your research skills before making another such sweeping statement. 😉

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I think we get too hung up on Polunin's Putin tattoo.  For me, it is not who - it could be Peter Rabbit or Peter the Great - it is the fact that a dramatic artiste despoils his body(his choice) and his art (my choice not to see him).

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FionaE, I really don't appreciate your patronising suggestion that we have been 'taken in' by the British press.  Polunin has largely been the architect of his own reputation post-RB.  Don't forget about social media.....his rants against gay men and overweight people were written by him, not the British press.  Believe me, a lot more people read about him on Instagram and other social media than they do in the press.  As Penelope says, he has had a largely positive portrayal here, except when he presents poor ballets, at which point the press will say so.  To suggest that Polunin has acquired a negative reputation because of inaccurate representation in the British press is manifestly untrue.  

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43 minutes ago, Sim said:

FionaE, I really don't appreciate your patronising suggestion that we have been 'taken in' by the British press.  Polunin has largely been the architect of his own reputation post-RB.  Don't forget about social media.....his rants against gay men and overweight people were written by him, not the British press.  Believe me, a lot more people read about him on Instagram and other social media than they do in the press.  As Penelope says, he has had a largely positive portrayal here, except when he presents poor ballets, at which point the press will say so.  To suggest that Polunin has acquired a negative reputation because of inaccurate representation in the British press is manifestly untrue.  

 

Apologies.  I didn’t mean to be patronising to you or any particular person on here or elsewhere.  A lot of the responses I’ve had on here have been quite rude to me.  I’ve tried to remain polite.     

 

I realise he is a deeply complicated person and possibly quite immature (viz. rants on Instagram).   I have a different interpretation of the Instagram quotes you mention, as explained by Sergei himself in subsequent interviews.  He is very aware that he has damaged his public persona and commercial opportunities.  I believe he felt Instagram is a not very serious place and they he could have a laugh without consequences.  I’m sure he sees his friends using social media that way.  Sadly that turns out not to be true for public figures, and he is the only one suffering because of his own actions.

 

As I understand it, his comments about fat people, were a misunderstood use of language to encourage people to exercise more.  Well I know I need to!   His comments about homophobia were about him not liking seeing two men kissing publicly.  I don’t like seeing any snogging male/female/whatever combination publicly, so I agree with him there. and also about men wearing pointe shoes and wanting to dance female ballet roles.  I’m sure that could be a whole separate forum discussion.  Not sure the general public (oh dear another sweeping statement) is ready for the corps de ballet of swans at RB to be a mix of male and female dancers.  Discuss.

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1 hour ago, Sophoife said:

Polunin left the RB in January 2012, and @FionaE suggests he was stifled, the RB wasn't allowing people out to guest, etc. As @alison said earlier, that's not accurate.

 

Just down here with Australian Ballet, we've had Kobborg and Cojocaru for Manon (I think their last one together?), Benjamin, Fonteyn a gazillion times, McRae, Galeazzi, Ashmole...and more, all pre-2012. All these are off the top of my head, if I did some actual research I know there would be many more 

 

I suggest, dear Fiona, that you apply your research skills before making another such sweeping statement. 😉

 

I didn’t suggest he was stifled, Sergei said so ‘the artist in me was dying’.  He wasn’t being let go to take on other challenges that he wanted.  And I suspect, he had a family immature way of communicating that with RB management at the time, which wouldn’t have helped.

 

Regarding research, I have looked into the names you mention and after discounting performances with RB tours to Australia:

-Kobborg and Cojocaru appeared with Australian Ballet in 2014.  (After Polunin).  Both had left the RB under a black cloud in 2013.

-Galeazzi performed in a Gala in 2016, after retiring from the RB in 2013.

-McRae is Australian, you’d expect him to be allowed to dance in his home country.  Although it has been very occasional. 

-David Ashmole was actually a principal of the Australian Ballet company for 10 years

 

but I do take your point that there were some guesting appearances allowed before Polunin.  Though I will say they were strictly limited in number and to only the most prestigious dancers, eg Bussell.

 

 I’m sure Sylvie Guillem can describe how much a fight it was for her to be allowed to do so.  Wasn’t this the reason she left Paris  Opera Ballet?  I seem to remember her being similarly vilified at the time.  

 

The ballet world has become much more flexible, as have the RB under KoH, and not only because of Polunin.   We, the audience, are certainly benefitting.  I hope you are too in Australia.

 

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6 minutes ago, FionaE said:

but I do take your point that there were some guesting appearances allowed before Polunin.  Though I will say they were strictly limited in number and to only the most prestigious dancers, eg Bussell.

 

Really?  I don't have facts and figures, as I originally said (do you?), but I'd have said there were quite a few, not only "prestigious" ones, and not only principals.  Where on earth would one find a comprehensive list of RB dancers who've guested elsewhere?  Possibly some ultra-keen ballet fan, but I wouldn't have any idea where to look.

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30 minutes ago, FionaE said:

 

Apologies.  I didn’t mean to be patronising to you or any particular person on here or elsewhere.  A lot of the responses I’ve had on here have been quite rude to me.  I’ve tried to remain polite.     

 

I realise he is a deeply complicated person and possibly quite immature (viz. rants on Instagram).   I have a different interpretation of the Instagram quotes you mention, as explained by Sergei himself in subsequent interviews.  He is very aware that he has damaged his public persona and commercial opportunities.  I believe he felt Instagram is a not very serious place and they he could have a laugh without consequences.  I’m sure he sees his friends using social media that way.  Sadly that turns out not to be true for public figures, and he is the only one suffering because of his own actions.

 

As I understand it, his comments about fat people, were a misunderstood use of language to encourage people to exercise more.  Well I know I need to!   His comments about homophobia were about him not liking seeing two men kissing publicly.  I don’t like seeing any snogging male/female/whatever combination publicly, so I agree with him there. and also about men wearing pointe shoes and wanting to dance female ballet roles.  I’m sure that could be a whole separate forum discussion.  Not sure the general public (oh dear another sweeping statement) is ready for the corps de ballet of swans at RB to be a mix of male and female dancers.  Discuss.

 

I really don't care what his opinions are, or whether or not I or anyone else agrees with them. He is clearly immature and troubled, and I just wish he would stop leaving himself open to criticism. (This applies to a lot of immature 'celebrities' who find themselves in the public eye.) The only thing I can judge him on are his dancing and his artistic choices; the former used to be magnificent but from what I've seen has deteriorated noticeably, the latter are from what I've seen highly questionable.

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8 minutes ago, FionaE said:

I’m sure Sylvie Guillem can describe how much a fight it was for her to be allowed to do so.  Wasn’t this the reason she left Paris  Opera Ballet?  I seem to remember her being similarly vilified at the time.  

 

 

Yes; and she joined the Royal Ballet...

 

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Neither did Ms Guillem make bizarre statements on social media or in the press. 

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Neither did she join the Royal Ballet, did she? - I remember her being listed as a principal guest artist, which presumably left her free to dance elsewhere as she wished.

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51 minutes ago, Jane S said:

Neither did she join the Royal Ballet, did she? - I remember her being listed as a principal guest artist, which presumably left her free to dance elsewhere as she wished.

 

That's true. And I'm sure that if Polunin had stayed, he could have negotiated a similar arrangement in due course. He had the talent. And I wish he had done that.

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Cojocaru and McRae have guested in Tokyo Ballet's Ashton The Dream in 2007.  Although McRae was a substitute to the injured Kobborg, he was still a soloist then.

 

We have a lot of Royal Ballet dancers guesting in Japan,  in 2006 Cojocaru and Bonneli has guested in National Ballet of Japan's Cinderella. Cojocaru, Kobborg, McRae, Benjamin, Bussel, Cope, Rojo have all guested here before Polunin getting prominent.  Sergei Polunin has guested in Noriko Kobayashi Theatre's Nutcracker in 2010.

 

Of course I have heard that many dancers not being able to guest because the company does not permit them, but it is not only RB, it happens more or less in other companies too. 

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31 minutes ago, Naomi M said:

 

Cojocaru and McRae have guested in Tokyo Ballet's Ashton The Dream in 2007.  Although McRae was a substitute to the injured Kobborg, he was still a soloist then.

 

 

And I saw them guesting at the Bolshoi in 2004 or 2005.

 

As Bridiem suggests, greater freedom to pursue guesting opportunities tends to come with seniority; but until they reach a contractual arrangement which allows for regular guesting, I can’t see that it’s unreasonable for an employee to prioritise their day job. Polunin decided that such constraints weren’t for him: that’s fine, it was his decision, but I don’t see why others should be expected to see the RB as being at fault in all this - on the contrary, in other respects one might consider Polunin to have been excessively indulged during his time there.

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3 hours ago, FionaE said:

 

Apologies.  I didn’t mean to be patronising to you or any particular person on here or elsewhere.  A lot of the responses I’ve had on here have been quite rude to me.  I’ve tried to remain polite.     

 

I realise he is a deeply complicated person and possibly quite immature (viz. rants on Instagram).   I have a different interpretation of the Instagram quotes you mention, as explained by Sergei himself in subsequent interviews.  He is very aware that he has damaged his public persona and commercial opportunities.  I believe he felt Instagram is a not very serious place and they he could have a laugh without consequences.  I’m sure he sees his friends using social media that way.  Sadly that turns out not to be true for public figures, and he is the only one suffering because of his own actions.

 

As I understand it, his comments about fat people, were a misunderstood use of language to encourage people to exercise more.  Well I know I need to!   His comments about homophobia were about him not liking seeing two men kissing publicly.  I don’t like seeing any snogging male/female/whatever combination publicly, so I agree with him there. and also about men wearing pointe shoes and wanting to dance female ballet roles.  I’m sure that could be a whole separate forum discussion.  Not sure the general public (oh dear another sweeping statement) is ready for the corps de ballet of swans at RB to be a mix of male and female dancers.  Discuss.

 

 

Mods, can we please not have people excusing homophobia in this forum? I like this community a lot (most of the time) and I'd like to continue to enjoy it without my identity being put up for debate.

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On 14/05/2019 at 04:02, FionaE said:

I think Sergei is the only principal dancer that is regularly commissioning works before age 30.  

 

The question about ‘not turning up’ applies only to the collaboration with Peter Schauffuss from the early days of leaving the RB, which he left, along with Igor Zelensky.  

 

He never once missed a performance while employed at the RB.  That’s a pretty big statement of commitment.  

 

There was the possibility of performing M&A at RB with Osipova in 2017.  Has anyone involved revealed why those performances didn’t go ahead?  I’d love to know. It wasn’t long after their personal relationship had broken up.  So that’s a possible explanation.  Or the RB’s own inflexibility. (Osipova herself suffered recently as had to let down Russian fans by not performing Don Q there because the RB wouldn’t release her - despite being booked months in advance.  Something odd going on KoH?).  Those are the only 2 occasions of Sergei not turning up, that I am aware of.  Happy to be corrected.

 

It would be good if the British could understand how a rigid classical company can (and did) limit the artistic development of those dancers who need more.  Have we noticed how the ballet world has opened up so much more in the last 10 years - many principals and soloists (and Corps de ballet for that matter) now perform elsewhere and get involved in other projects.  It’s a new world for dancers - partially prompted by Sergei’s own move - and so much richer artistically for all - dancers and audiences alike.

 

Since 2012, Sergei has had a brilliant classical career at the Stanislavsky and in Munich, increasingly alongside his own projects.  If you research his shows this year alone, you’ll discover a very hardworking artist performing day-after-day to sold-out audiences all over Europe, including Russia, Germany and Italy.  And that’s not to mention the many movies, interviews, modelling etc on top of his own foundation fund for young dancers (a la the Nureyev Foundation)

Re the above by paragraph:

1. Really? If he's a principal dancer that says he works regularly with a company, and it's usually the company director who either commissions or choreographs new works, it's not left to the dancers to arrange. If he's freelance he's not a principal. Semantics but let's be specific.

 

2 & 3. Not quite the case. At the very kindest interpretation, Mr Polunin has allowed his name to be used as a selling point on a number of occasions of which I'm aware, for none of which he had any intention of showing up. When he was employed at the Royal Ballet, it was his job to show up, what he was paid to do. We show up at our paid jobs every day, but it's not necessarily a "pretty big statement of commitment" unless in my case my commitment to eating and sleeping with a roof over my head!

 

4. Bad example to use Marguerite and Armand in 2017. For months it was TBC on the cast list, then it was Mr Polunin, then just a few days later it was again TBC, soon replaced by Vladimir Shklyarov (and the ins and outs of why it wasn't a Royal Ballet dancer are not for this particular thread).

 

5. The Royal Ballet is a "rigid classical company"? News to me, and I'm sure to Wayne McGregor, for one! Meanwhile, dancers from companies all over the world have been guesting all over the world for decades. Dame Beryl Grey danced with the Kirov and the Bolshoi, in the Soviet Union, in the late 1950s. Dame Margot Fonteyn danced anywhere with anyone (largely to support her **** of a husband), particularly supportive of and dancing with the Australian Ballet in its early years. Li Cunxin originally went to Houston Ballet as a guest before defecting. His second wife Mary McKendry was dancing with London Festival Ballet when she guested in Houston. David McAllister and Elizabeth Toohey guested with both the Kirov and the Bolshoi in the mid-1980s. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

 

6. Many movies? Modelling? Foundation fund? Interviews? All done by many many dancers. He's certainly not unique.

 

On 14/05/2019 at 06:22, FionaE said:

I doubt Sergei will be performing full-on classics much, if ever.  And why should he.  He was easily the best technically and dramatically at RB 10 years ago, and then for 5+ years at Stanislavsky in Moscow and later at Bavarian State Ballet.  Lots of brilliant even perfect YouTube clips of Giselle, Mayerling, Don Q, Coppelia, Rhapsody , etc etc.  What more is there to challenge him repeating those for the next 15 years?  So it’s on to other artistic challenges for him.

 

The Royal haven’t had anything to match Sergei in his classical prime. 

 

 So it turns out that the complete package is a very rare thing indeed.

 

1. So you saw every performance by every principal in the Royal Ballet in 2009? Wish I had your budget! Added to which you've watched every performance by the Stanislavsky AND Bayerisches Staatsballett since Mr Polunin started dancing with those companies? Because you can't (shouldn't) make the claims you are unless you have.

 

2. Really? Sweeping statement or considered opinion after watching every Royal Ballet performance since Mr Polunin joined the company?

 

3. Agreed.

 

On 14/05/2019 at 08:50, FionaE said:

He is still finding his way with new contemporary and classical works.  Not everyone liked the post-balletic Baryshnikov either.

 

I saw his Spartacus in Munich recently - the emotional charge from his performance is unlike anything I have ever experienced.  I am sorry for you who don’t see him that you will miss out.

 

1. Are you saying Mr Polunin is now post-balletic?

 

2. First sentence is your opinion, which you are welcome to express. Second sentence is again your opinion, and you must allow others to disagree with you.

 

On 14/05/2019 at 09:00, FionaE said:

 

As you know Putin is the president of Russia recently re-elected with 77% of the vote.  That’s many many millions of Russians that voted for Putin.  I know many in the West think negatively of Putin, but that is not how he is perceived by the majority of Russians.  

 

I bet there are many Americans with tattoos of Trump. Is that any different?  

 

How we would laugh though if anyone in UK had a tattoo of Farage!

 

1. Glad you say 77% of the vote (it was 76.69% actually). Are you aware that only 67.5% of registered voters actually voted? Are you aware that registered voters are less than 75% of the eligible population? "Many in the West" is a turn of phrase most frequently used by those not "in the West", so here's where I start wondering where you're actually writing from...

 

2. Trump has three more elections to win and even more human rights to trample before you can compare him with Putin.

 

Ignoring the Farage suggestion as it's hardly relevant or a similar situation.

 

On 14/05/2019 at 20:18, FionaE said:

Yes, lots, he is a complicated person without much adult mentoring ever.  Without Zelensky and Kobborg he would be completely off the rails in my opinion.

 

Plenty of people didn’t like Nureyev either for his actions.  And Nijinsky went completely mad.

 

1. Polunin had the same teaching and available mentoring at the Royal Ballet School as any other student. Cannot speak as to the situation when he joined the company. Yes it is good he seems to regard Zelensky and Kobborg as mentors or at the very least people to listen to, whatever he then does.

 

2. Irrelevant, both, as neither was in a similar situation 

 

On 14/05/2019 at 21:00, FionaE said:

What you say is true, that current RB dancers get lots of opportunities outside RB.  My point is that wasn’t the case (except in a very limited way - eg Adam Cooper as The Swan) before Sergei’s departure highlighted it.  Things have changed, and he was one of the catalysts for that change.

 

You really don’t know much about the current Sergei:

He has a starring role in a French movie coming out in September - currently in editing process.

He is already funding 4 children through dance school - name another 29 year old dancer doing that.

He has been appointed artist director of a new dance school in Russia.  Again name another 29 year old dancer doing that.  

 

The negativity and inaccuracy of the English press really does influence British people.  Such a shame.

 

1. Debunked this myth of Royal Ballet dancers not being allowed to accept opportunities outside the company earlier on. 

 

2. How big his role in the French film is, remains to be seen. As another poster pointed out, there are people of younger than 29 running their own quality dance schools while continuing to perform themselves.

 

3. If I were British, living in Britain, I'd certainly be reading the "English press" although I'm unsure if you're referring to English-language press or English-location press. Fairly normal for press local to a person to influence a person. 

 

23 hours ago, FionaE said:

And yes the Crimean school is going to be an interesting story to follow.  The setting is absolutely beautiful.  We in the West have a narrow perspective of Russian / Ukrainian issues.  I for one feel I’ll-informed to comment either way on that.  The history of Crimea’s changing ownership goes back many centuries, most of the last 200 + years it has been part of Russia. 

 

Bugger the setting, what about the facilities and faculty and finances? And again, a curiously Russian "We in the West" comment.

 

10 hours ago, FionaE said:

 

Actually I was as taken in by English press negativity about Sergei as many of you are.  I was put off by the stories of drugs and scared by the tattoos -why scared?  They are not on my body.  

 

And then I saw him dance on YouTube (clips from all the classics including Macmillan and Ashton), the Dancer movie, Take Me To Church.  I spent hours online.  Oh my word what had I missed.  And now I have seen him dance live too.  I cannot explain in words

 

So basically now you're saying you've seen him on YouTube many times, and only seen him dance live once?

 

10 hours ago, FionaE said:

 

I studied ballet with Merle Park, Shirley Grahame, June French, Mignon Furman amongst others.  I doubt very much that Jeremy Kyle or Putin did!

 

When I was seven years old Antoinette Sibley came to my little ballet school and watched/taught several classes (she was friends with the principal). I can legitimately claim to have studied with her, at least for that one class.

 

5 hours ago, FionaE said:

 

I didn’t suggest he was stifled, Sergei said so ‘the artist in me was dying’.  He wasn’t being let go to take on other challenges that he wanted.  And I suspect, he had a family immature way of communicating that with RB management at the time, which wouldn’t have helped.

 

Regarding research, I have looked into the names you mention and after discounting performances with RB tours to Australia:

-Kobborg and Cojocaru appeared with Australian Ballet in 2014.  (After Polunin).  Both had left the RB under a black cloud in 2013.

-Galeazzi performed in a Gala in 2016, after retiring from the RB in 2013.

-McRae is Australian, you’d expect him to be allowed to dance in his home country.  Although it has been very occasional. 

-David Ashmole was actually a principal of the Australian Ballet company for 10 years

 

but I do take your point that there were some guesting appearances allowed before Polunin.  Though I will say they were strictly limited in number and to only the most prestigious dancers, eg Bussell.

 

 I’m sure Sylvie Guillem can describe how much a fight it was for her to be allowed to do so.  Wasn’t this the reason she left Paris  Opera Ballet?  I seem to remember her being similarly vilified at the time.  

 

The ballet world has become much more flexible, as have the RB under KoH, and not only because of Polunin.   We, the audience, are certainly benefitting.  I hope you are too in Australia.

 

5 hours ago, FionaE said:

 

 

1. At 21 he still had some time to develop his artistry. I think he may have exaggerated just a tiny bit there.

 

2. Kobborg and Cojocaru had danced with Australian Ballet in the mid-2000s as well. Galeazzi did not perform in any Australian Ballet gala in 2016 (they didn't do any galas that year), in fact she performed about ten years before that. McRae in fact trained at the Royal Ballet upper school and never danced with the Australian Ballet except as a guest, as has Alexander Campbell. Miss Benjamin trained at the Royal Ballet School as well and only ever danced with Australian Ballet as a guest, in 1987 and then in I think 2007. David Ashmole in fact started with the Royal Ballet where he reached principal rank in 1975, then danced with the then-Sadler's Wells Royal Ballet as a principal from 1976-84, only joining Australian Ballet after that.

 

3 & 4. It's not clear what you're saying about Miss Guillem. She couldn't guest out while in Paris? Or London?

 

I notice you always refer to "Sergei" but that others are referred to by their surnames only or by both forename and surname. This, to me, smacks of an apologist. Thoughts, anyone?

 

Also, yes, mods, with my much-loved brother's recent wedding fresh in my mind, a word in support of @Tatiana and the above request.

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6 hours ago, FionaE said:

 I believe he felt Instagram is a not very serious place and they he could have a laugh without consequences.

 

Fiona: I fear that this is incredibly naive of you: Polunin has (or did have) the same agent as Ralph Fiennes; he has (or had) many friends in the public eye; he has been in the "business" for many years; he has done a whole publicity junket for his own film. He knows full-well the  way social media works. He has said in one of his subsequent interviews - in terms -  that he wanted to destroy what he had created because that is the way to create again...What he does is calculated recklessness and his current choice is to re-position himself as a Russian with a crush on Putin - irrespective of how that goes down in the Ukraine where he was born and where his parents and grandparents still live.... 

It is curious and perhaps telling that through his recklessness he sabotaged his friendship with David LaChapelle, to whom he surely owes a great debt for the Hozier video and all the media exposure that brought him....

Polunin would have done well to have emulated the career path of Sylvie Guillem - who was not, in truth, "vilified"  when she left the POB: she made it clear she did not want to be bound in that  "administrative relationship"  as she has since described it, and sought more freedom by going the RB as a permanent guest with a minimum number of fixed performances per season. It is a very great shame and I think ultimately a detriment to his career (and certainly his technique and artistic development) that Polunin did not have the wit or foresight to ask for the same  arrangement. 

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8 hours ago, Fiz said:

Neither did Ms Guillem make bizarre statements on social media or in the press. 

 

Of course she didn’t, social media didn’t exist back then!

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8 minutes ago, FionaE said:

 

Of course she didn’t, social media didn’t exist back then!

 

But this press was around then and Ms Guillem featured in the press rather a lot!

 

This thread has now become a serious yawn-fest.  I am joining in the yawning!

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21 minutes ago, FionaE said:

 

Of course she didn’t, social media didn’t exist back then!

Ms Guillem did not retire until 2014. Social media had been around for some time before that.

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