FLOSS Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 SwissBalletfan.No one is going to endanger a major revival by casting a young dancer if they don't have faith in their ability to perform the role in question. As this is Ratmansky's production I imagine that the casting has to pass muster with him.It may be that casting a young dancer will actually be an advantage as he is far less likely to be wedded to a conviction that he knows how the prince's role should be performed.If anyone is going to unbalance the production it is likely to be the stars in the cast whose views on performance style might be at variance with Petipa's as far as minor matters such as tempi and height of arabesques are concerned. I wish I were able to see the production as I am curious about this reconstruction particularly after the Munich Paquita.Lucky you. It could well be that you are going to witness ballet history being made. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I would also add that I doubt whether a dancer of Zakharova's standing would agree to dance with anybody she didn't think worthy of her, or able to partner her properly. I very much look forward, SBF, to your review of the performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissBalletFan Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) Am I going crazy, or has a mod edited my post below? I think I wrote Zurich's stars or would have at least written dancers. 'performers' is not in my limited English vocabulary. . I wanted to get an insight into how Mr Ratmansky's Swan Lake will be and how Zürich's performers will compare with Zakharova. Edited September 23, 2015 by SwissBalletFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nina G. Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Sergei Polunin is injured and not dancing SB at La Scala http://www.gramilano.com/2015/09/sergei-polunin-injured-and-will-not-dance-with-zakharova-in-sleeping-beauty/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Thanks Nina...much discussion of this on the previous page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nina G. Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I am so sorry Sim, my apologies. I was totally unaware of the discussion on the previous page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilian88 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I hope Mr. Polunin gets better soon to the delight of all his fans; I will also add that Sergei Polunin as well as being a brilliant artist is a simple guy, always polite and friendly and certainly he doesn't deserve the accusations of dishonesty! Having said this, I think of great interest it's also the presence of the excellent Massimo Murru, which definitely worth to be seen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Welcome to the forum, Lilian88...we look forward to seeing more posts from you in future! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilian88 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thank you very much, Sim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveclassics Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I am in no way a member of 'Team Polunin" but in all fairness, even a minor neck injury can be pretty serious for a dancer. The spine is like a string of cotton reels joined by a piece of elastic (well, that's how a back specialist described it to me) and just a slight misalignment in the neck vertebrae can lead to a major problem lower down. That rules out pirouettes, jumps and many other steps required of a dancer. Ballerinas can't even go on pointe with a back problem and I remember Cojocaru had a lengthy lay off when she injured her neck. But anyone who booked tickets, flights, hotels etc for La Scala has my sympathy even if it is one of the perils of advance booking for ballet. It will be very interesting to hear if this proves a career-maker for the new young dancer though. Isn't that how Pavarotti made his name as a last minute Rudolfo? Linda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissBalletFan Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Here is a very interesting article and interview with Sergei Polunin on his life and why he left RB in his words. I will need a bit of time to digest what I think about his words, before I comment, but here it is: http://intelligentlifemagazine.com/content/arts/dancers-demons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Thanks for the link SBF. I don't think I read this article at the time it was published. Having read it this morning, I can only say that it does nothing to alter my personal opinion that Mr Polunin was a young man who was put under the pressure of expectation from too many sides - his family, his peers, his boss and his public - and who left to find himself without those pressures. Let's hope that Mr Polunin is now able, with the passage of time, to grow and enjoy his career in dance and beyond, wherever that may take him. BTW SBF it may be worth searching the News forum and there are many threads about Polunin covering the last couple of years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissBalletFan Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Thanks for the link SBF. I don't think I read this article at the time it was published. Having read it this morning, I can only say that it does nothing to alter my personal opinion that Mr Polunin was a young man who was put under the pressure of expectation from too many sides - his family, his peers, his boss and his public - and who left to find himself without those pressures. Let's hope that Mr Polunin is now able, with the passage of time, to grow and enjoy his career in dance and beyond, wherever that may take him. BTW SBF it may be worth searching the News forum and there are many threads about Polunin covering the last couple of years. Dear Ms Mcnulty, Many thanks, I saw it on Twitter this morning an thought that it was a new article. I didn't notice the date as of October 2012.! (shock) I thought it was from the recent discussions. It was news for me that he had spoken about it, but I will pay more attention in future. Thanks, and apologies S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 As it turns out that the new thread adds nothing to the discussion on Polunin, I've simply merged it with the existing Polunin news thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McNulty Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Dear Ms Mcnulty, Many thanks, I saw it on Twitter this morning an thought that it was a new article. I didn't notice the date as of October 2012.! (shock) I thought it was from the recent discussions. It was news for me that he had spoken about it, but I will pay more attention in future. Thanks, and apologies S Hello SBF, Please call me Janet - everyone else does! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/nov/05/ballet-stars-osipova-and-polunin-confirm-show-and-relationship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 Perhaps Polunin will come back to the RB? (In my dreams). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nina G. Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 In our dreams indeed Based on what I read about him he is too undisciplined to fit into, and function well in a big company where dancers have to stick to the daily discipline of class, rehearsals and performance schedules. He also seems to be so unreliable. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissBalletFan Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 In my opinion, I would rather have Roberto Bolle, Friedemann Vogel, Vadim, or Acosta as a guest before even thinking about Polunin. Nothing against him, I prefer my stars to be a classic prince and inspire the company to grow together. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveclassics Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/nov/05/ballet-stars-osipova-and-polunin-confirm-show-and-relationship In this article Polunin is quoted as saying: "For artists to feel a real emotion to your partner is very important". There have been comments on other threads about the importance of chemistry between dance partners but many of the best dance partnerships have been strictly on-stage relationships. They haven't needed to overlap into real life to be convincing, which is probably just as well for all concerned. When real relationships break up they often have a negative affect on careers with one dancer feeling obliged to leave the company. i agree with Nina G. There are times when Polunin sounds like an amateur and not a true professional. Linda 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Pigeons Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 I am not a close observer of the Royal Ballet but I am really surprised that some dancers seem so ready to burn their boats when they leave the company. Kobborg was another. Given the fact that the RB is unquestionably one of the top 6 companies in the world with a unparalleled repertoire it seems to me that it would be both sensible and professional to make sure if you leave you do at least leave with the door slightly ajar. The history of the company does indicate that even if you are one of the most outstanding dancers in the world if you are also unreliable and temperamental you cannot guarantee to be asked back when you feel like it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahw Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 He's had a sad life in many ways I guess. .... or maybe not? Maybe that's a very conventional person's assessment? Maybe the same applies to our judgements on his career? Outrageously talented people often struggle to fit in and cope with life it seems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Outrageously talented people often struggle to fit in and cope with life it seems. Sadly, so true. And it is us - society - which doesn't seem to know how to cope with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENBlover Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 He's taken his chances, but I doubt his life is sad for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisypop84 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What is "Team Polunin"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilian88 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What is "Team Polunin"? Team Polunin are those who run his social pages, but I suppose Loveclassics only meant he isn't part of Polunin fanclub.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Team Polunin are those who run his social pages, but I suppose Loveclassics only meant he isn't part of Polunin fanclub.... She.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilian88 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 She.... Oh I apologize, careless mistake, "she" of course! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisypop84 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Oh I apologize, careless mistake, "she" of course! oh myyyy, who is she and what is up with this? lol, sorry, i love juicy gossip! is "team polunin" not a nice "she' and are those his professional social media or just fan run stuff? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sim Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Sorry to disappoint, DaisyPop, but 'she' simply refers to our poster 'LoveClassics'....Lilian referred to her as 'he' and I corrected her! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveclassics Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Hey what's going on? I've been away from this for a while (death in the family) and was surprised my little post caused this reaction. "Team" Polunin was a reference to David Cameron's famous tweet about the Nigella Lawson/Charles Saatchi breakup, that's all. I meant that I am not a particular supporter of this dancer - technically gifted though he undoubtedly is. I can't help thinking his real talent lies in attracting attention from folk like Daisypop84..... Linda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 But anyone who booked tickets, flights, hotels etc for La Scala has my sympathy even if it is one of the perils of advance booking for ballet. It will be very interesting to hear if this proves a career-maker for the new young dancer though. Isn't that how Pavarotti made his name as a last minute Rudolfo? Pavarotti did indeed get his big break as a replacement, but it was actually on TV. Di Stephano backed out of a TV programme called Sunday Night at the London Palladium at short notice and someone suggested a brilliant young tenor called Luciano who was causing a sensation at Glyndebourne. He went on air and wowed the audience and the rest is history. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 http://www.novat.nsk.ru/press/interviews/sergey-polunin-Im-back-in-balet-for-change-somthing/ Hope that this link works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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