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You used to get this tutting years back ….after queuing for hours for a standing ticket because you were standing in Stalls Circle and back in early 70’s people did tend to dress up more in Stalls and Dress Circle etc so our “street clothes” were not appreciated! I often had a carrier bag with me and remember one night a very dressed up member (including jewels) saying as passing “well she’s even brought her shopping with her”
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I think it would be okay to have certain performances designated occasionally to the audience for dressing up ..more the fantasy dressing up..as one sees for certain ABBA shows ….but not promoted for EVERY performance. The other sort of dressing up..posh frocks etc….can be entirely a matter of choice. In the days when you queued for hours for tickets and mostly outside the building you were obviously not going to be wearing your posh frock!! But I did dress up more on occasions when had a ticket already ..in my 20’s and 30’s because I dressed up more when going out in general back then…you tend to more when you have the looks and figure lol! However I had a long gap when didn’t go to ROH at all (or to the theatre much in general) and when I started going again I was not in the habit of dressing up that much to go out and so didnt (and still don’t) to the ROH. I don’t mind at all if other people do and want to look glamorous I quite enjoy looking at other peoples posh frocks etc……as long as it’s not expected of everybody.
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Echoing Janet’s post above great to have info straight from the horses mouth so to speak! The link in Doug Fullington’s post gives a very clear and precise picture of the format of the new ballet. Im not absolutely sure but it looks like Nikiya’s famous dance ( as the temple dancer)…… one of the dances which thousands of aspiring dancers have ambition to perform ……has been axed so not danced or slightly adapted with different costume etc. Anyway this has been rewritten as a musical comedy …..so some drama and pathos in the original is bound to be lost. Im sure this will be a success as a musical in its own rite and I would certainly be very interested to see it myself but feel it’s not really going to be an adapted replacement for the ballet Bayadere but a new musical very loosely based on the original. Can this do justice to the Kingdom of Shades scenes? Well I hope the score isn’t too jazzed up for this bit as it’s the marrying of the original score with the choreography especially the entry of the Shades which creates the Beauty of these scenes. So have to wait and see. An interesting venture which hopefully can stand as an alternative to the original a bit like the two Giselles we have at the moment in UK Returning to a point Emeralds made re film West Side Story…..well that’s got to be the film I’ve seen the most times..love it …and made me cry again recently …however it was never a re vamp of a ballet as this Bayadere is proposing ..it was based on Shakespeare’s Play and the original stage musical also based on the play so not quite the same.
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I missed that Jan but have watched the interview! It does have a different title “A Star on the Rise” ( based on La Bayadere) I was a little confused when they were talking about the choreography because on the one hand they said they were retaining original notation from 123 years ago but just changing some upper body movements or bringing movements more into what we would expect today. So wasn’t sure exactly what that would mean. Perhaps a sort of balletic musical but not really pure classical dance form. They used the love triangle from Singing in the Rain when talking about how they would change that but didn’t say how Nikiya would be depicted…not a temple dancer obviously …but wondered how they would choreograph her famous dance. It’s definitely going to have a Hollywood musical of 20’s and 30’s era feel anyway which I’m sure many of us here love anyway …who doesn’t love Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers ….but it depends how much of the classicism is taken out of the Dance to see if will really qualify as a “replacement” for La Bayadere. The way they talked about people having a good time and having to have fun at the theatre worried a bit in that ballet may be reduced to something solely as entertainment and a bit frivolous! We might be even more grateful to Macmillan here then….even Different Drummer …if this is the case!! I hope someone who is in US and follows this Forum can get to see it anyway. It will be interesting to see how it’s received.
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I couldn’t read Bruce’s link but did look at Roberta’s and it says there that the Kingdom of Shades is recreated as a “stunning art deco fantasy which would make even Busby Berkerley proud” This could be a revamp too far and it all sounds more like musical territory than a classical ballet to me …which is absolutely fine but why not call it something else with an acknowledgment that it’s based on Bayadere story but with completely different choreography etc. Still the proof of the pudding will be in the eating…….
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I think if it was just for a few publicity shots you could say it was a bit of fun! However if she was seriously suggesting that young people should go dressed to the ballet like this then that would be to mislead! In the end I don’t care that much what people wear to the ballet if they feel comfortable with what they are wearing though probably pyjamas or beach wear or dressed up to look like the black swan might be a bit embarrassing to sit next to!
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Well obviously that tutu is for a publicity stunt only! If she were dressed for real like that it wouldn’t offend me ….I’d just be glad I wasn’t her and feel embarrassed for her naïveté as she’s too old to be going to the Ballet dressed like a 3-7 year old!! The only thing is will those she’s trying to “influence” take her too literally 🤔 In another lifetime Ive worn tutus to perform in but never did like them that much even when I was thin!! They are definitely for those under 35! You don’t even have to be overweight to not look good in them just a slight tummy and a little thicker around the knees can destroy the look!! I prefer the Juliet dress look myself!! If the ROH wants to attract younger people to ballet performances in this way why not use the many genuine students of ballet ( at RBS ENB Rambert and so on) for photoshoots and videos… only if wanted to take part of course.
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Good job I didn’t see David Drew in that then….after his role as the gaoler in Manon!
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THE LONDON BALLET CIRCLE: NEWS AND UPCOMING EVENTS
LinMM replied to capybara's topic in Ballet / Dance news & information
Well you know how Carlos looks just amazing in his white suit which he often wears when out in theatreland well Javier looked equally amazing in his pink suit on Monday! Was wondering whether these suits were going to be their signature at events! Sorry if this brings the tone down a little but am not meaning to …I just love Carlos in his white suit ( was standing next to him at the Linbury last summer) he must know how how great he looks and equally Javier in pink such a lovely approachable person….though not sure the pink suit really had anything to do with that quality in him!! Yes belonging to the LBC is one of the better things I’ve joined in the last couple of years brilliant value for money! -
Ballet Icons Gala March 2024
LinMM replied to Tango Dancer's topic in Performances seen & general discussions
Yes I was at one of those benefit performances for her at ROH and she came out on to the stage at the end when I was shocked by her frail appearance. It must have been just a little embarrassing for her and for me very sad to see her as somebody who had brought joy to so many thousands of people over the years.- 150 replies
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LinMM replied to Tango Dancer's topic in Performances seen & general discussions
It can be disappointing to see the technique of a once much admired dancer start to become less….I experienced this with Nureyev and felt sorry that some people were seeing some of his very late performances for the first time. I loved him too much for all his past performances to ever say anything denigrating about him but certainly wished he had stopped performing a little earlier than he did. I’ve never seen Osipova under perform as yet…. but wasn’t at the gala…though she can sometimes be a little untidy in her technique she always seems to make up for it in other ways as in her recent Manon. Fonteyn stopped performing the really big classics like Swan Lake and Sleeping Beauty near the end of her career but then I wouldn’t have wanted to miss her in Marguerite and Armand!! It must be a difficult decision for any dancer who has had a fairly long and illustrious career to know exactly when and how to stop. Osipova in my opinion still has much to offer so wouldn’t want to see her go just yet and was generously giving time to this gala so perhaps a little harsh on her but as there is so little time for rehearsal and warm up for many of these galas perhaps what you decide to dance has to be carefully chosen.- 150 replies
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Loved the visit to the Acosta Dance space in Woolwich. Very easy to get to on Elizabeth Line then about 3-4 mins walk. They really went that extra mile to make us feel welcome. Very exciting to see a couple of the many projects going on in the centre….. like the Acosta Danza group rehearsing Carmen…terrific!! And the coaching of pre professional ballet students to prepare for their auditions. Many thanks to Javier Torres and the young lady who showed us around for their hard work and the unexpected tea and pastries was really delicious! -
Paris Opéra Ballet - Giselle May 2024
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I think if there is going to be a statutory retirement age for dancers it will have to be continually revised as knowledge of how to safeguard technique for longer and recover from injury more successfully progresses. So 42 might become 45 and so on. However in the end most dancers will probably end up wanting to retire somewhere in that 45-55 age range as the general stresses on dancers bodies are pretty high and recovery from injury definitely takes longer as you age but each dancer is an individual so as long as performances are not losing too much quality should be able to decide for themselves when they no longer want to continue. -
I can imagine Magri needing to protect herself before tomorrow for SL but seems a shame she has been taken out of the whole run of triples…well all six performances!! Maybe it was easier if rehearsal times weren’t working out though to put replacement in. I seem to remember Isabel Lubach taking some leads in the student show in her graduation year.
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To be honest I don’t know how people drink in an interval anyway as would have to down it pretty quickly really not very relaxing at all. I only drink water at theatre shows in intervals but may be a cup of tea before!
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I agree re intervals too so it could finish at 10pm!
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I usually find Thameslink run a set service every half an hour instead of usual every 15 mins one when it’s just overtime ban etc so looks like the 8th is the only non starter….the 9th should be okayish and have all day to get there. I will be travelling back on 10th so again have all day to get back ….so am personally rather lucky the main strike day is on the 8th.
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LinMM replied to BalletcoForum Moderators's topic in Performances seen & general discussions
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Black Swans, fouettés and costumes in Swan Lake
LinMM replied to Amelia's topic in Performances seen & general discussions
Thanks for video Amelia. I think her speed is very exciting and much more “edge of seat” than the fouettés which I know are technically demanding to keep centred etc but nevertheless can sometimes seem a bit pedestrian. What I also notice in these old films and indeed from the Vaganova museum in St Petersburg is the much more delicate pointe shoes worn with much smaller balancing tips! Talking of Susan Hampshire earlier in the thread didn’t she once attend Elmhurst Ballet School in the days when it was in Camberley? I might be muddling her with Jenny Agutter but I’m sure it was Susan who went there or maybe both of them. Lovely to hear she is so enthusiastic still at 86!!