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BBC TV's show - Greatest Dancer - (talent competition)

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17 minutes ago, LinMM said:

Pas de Quatre if only it was just "passion" that is all it requires to be a ballerina .....or reach the top in almost anything else as well. 

But from what one sees on this type of programme it is the major requirement!!!

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Would love to have been a fly on the wall if he had gone through.

I did see some brief clips of what looked like an older lady doing some plies.....perhaps she will get through? I wonder what her back story will be ......that she would have been a ballerina if only her parents had let her attend classes? I can see it coming.... Except that I won't be.

 

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On ‎06‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 09:11, Kate_N said:

And I was also somewhat startled by the "Cheryl in the Royal Ballet" comment: I looked her up on Wikipedia, and she attended a RBS summer school at age 9. Not a mean feat, according to the difficulties discussed in "Doing Dance" of being accepted.

 

I read that Wikipedia entry and it says she "joined" the RBS Summer School at the age of nine.  The implication in the wording being that this was an ongoing form of vocational training, rather than being a one-off intensive that has to be applied for anew every year.  I wonder who wrote it?!

 

She does have a dance background (which I already knew) but no vocational training is mentioned in her Wikipedia bio, which presumably it would be if she'd had it.  So I'm assuming she took loads of classes throughout her childhood at her local multi-discipline dance school, which certainly makes you a dancer - but it doesn't make you a ballerina, and it certainly doesn't give you a professional connection with the Royal Ballet.

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I don't want to appear rude, but why are we bothering with this? CVs get adjusted or amplified to suit the circumstances all the time.

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3 hours ago, Xandra Newman said:

 

I do hope Cheryl Cole's PR team read this, and make Cole aware what a complete and utter fool she has made of herself saying she was at The Royal Ballet :) :) :) . Boy I laughed! A few days at a Summer School HAHAHAHAHA

Trouble is her kind of remarks are misleading to the general public  - she only went to one RBS Summer school as a child and decided that it wasn’t for her and she that she ‘didn’t like the people’ (??!) - but now it’s ok for her to say (not very truthfully) that she was ‘at the RB’ though! Oh dear Oh dear 🙈!

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What a ridiculous programme - fortunately we had a power cut here half way through, so I didn’t manage to see the rest of it (such a shame 😉)!!!!  

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19 hours ago, capybara said:

I don't want to appear rude, but why are we bothering with this? CVs get adjusted or amplified to suit the circumstances all the time.

 

Because it’s untrue, misleading and it seems to have fooled an awful lot of “Cheryl” fans.  IMO this isn’t a simple case of CV adjustment or amplification.  To say “...then I was a ballerina and went to The Royal Ballet” is simply untrue and extremely insulting to professional ballet dancers.  

 

If you watch the interview episode of The Apprentice you’ll see what a dim view is (quite rightly) taken of candidates lying on their CVs. 

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We are in a post truth society, so it’s not surprising. No reason that us old guard should not try to rail against it....

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I have just seen that this show lost out quite badly to The Voice. They are both awful but the dance show seems worse especially since the so called experts aren’t judging it.

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10 minutes ago, Anna C said:

To say “...then I was a ballerina and went to The Royal Ballet” is simply untrue and extremely insulting to professional ballet dancers.  

 

Apologies.

I didn't know she'd gone so far as actually saying that. 

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37 minutes ago, capybara said:

 

Apologies.

I didn't know she'd gone so far as actually saying that. 

 

Unfortunately yes. ☹️

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There are numerous references to Cheryl Cole attending The Royal Ballet School in newspaper articles and on-line.  Most will be from the same original source so unless anyone corrects it the same misinformation will continue to circulate.  I recall a post a few years back where we “discussed” her RBS credentials so looks like nothing has been corrected and even a cursory Google search can see that the misinformation isn’t even consistent. :rolleyes:

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10 minutes ago, Anna C said:

 

From 1 min 25, here she is “en pointe”, complete with ribbons tied *in bows at the back* 😳:  

 

Artistic licence? :P

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It seems that they are just calling her 'Cheryl' now.  She has had so many  surnames that everyone has lost count.  So now she can really join the greats:  Nureyev.  Fonteyn.  Baryshnikov.  Plisetskaya.  Cheryl.

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1 hour ago, penelopesimpson said:

Hmm

That had me laughing, as I had a look at some of the video. Let out a "Hmmm" myself and scrolled down to your comment.

So I guess I should say "WSS" or "^^^this" or whatever the current vernacular is...

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1 hour ago, Anna C said:

 

From 1 min 25, here she is “en pointe”, complete with ribbons tied *in bows at the back* 😳:  

 

 

 She can’t sing and although the clip of her as a young dancer was okay, she’s no ballerina. I wish she would realise her moment in the sun has passed and go away. The trouble is, as the dance clip showed, she was always about being “famous” rather than gifted.

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Posted (edited)

I have found this thread very amusing, and some of the comments have made me laugh out loud.  It has brightened up the end of a dull work day, that's for sure.

 

I hate all these shows where the audience gets to vote on anything.  I think they should rename this programme  "Best looking contestant who can dance a bit."  Because ultimately it seems to be all about physical appearance.  I watched a bit of it, and I noticed the male dance group only started getting audience votes when one of them took his shirt off to show his (admittedly fairly impressive) muscular torso. 

 

 I remember getting quite angry a few years ago when they did something about Britain's Best Choir.  As decided by viewers' votes.  So a wonderful all male Welsh choir was deemed not as good as a group of young, attractive ladies clad in very short skirts, who sang moderately well while gyrating their hips.  Yep, swaying hips are very important when it comes to sounding good.  🤦‍♀️

 

Instead of this load of old tosh, I wish one of the freeview channels would show Ballet Hoo again.  A programme that showed how ballet can have a profound influence on disadvantaged young people.  Sad that no further programmes along the same lines have been done.  At least as far as I know.   Maybe a repeat might advance some money for a new programme of this nature?

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fonty said:

Instead of this load of old tosh, I wish one of the freeview channels would show Ballet Hoo again.  A programme that showed how ballet can have a profound influence on disadvantaged young people.  Sad that no further programmes along the same lines have been done.  At least as far as I know.   Maybe a repeat might advance some money for a new programme of this nature?

 

I’m not sure if you saw the programme Fonty but Darcey Bussell’s ‘Dancing to Happiness’ really was wonderful, shown I think in early December.  No longer on iPlayer but I’m sure will be repeated.  It showed how dance can help those with dementia and Parkinson's, the old and lonely, and young people struggling with mental illnesses.  A remarkable tribute to dance and its health and life enhancing powers and those gifted facilitators who use dance so effectively to help people discover themselves, their memories and hidden strengths.   Excellent programmes are still being made.

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The acid humour on this thread is like a guilty pleasure! Sorry to be dull but to balance the argument - when the male ballet dancer didn't 'get through' all the judges including Cheryl expressed their strong disagreement with the audience. However, I do agree there was something quite cheap/superficial/crass about the programme (worse than other recent TV talent shows)

 

Also when reading this thread I'll have to be dull again and argue the other side that, like JohnS says above, there are good programmes being made. I thought Tamara Rojo docs (Good Swan, Bad Swan and Giselle: Belle of the Ballet) weren't bad,  and Darcey Bussell 'Ballet Heroes' was OK too (gave at least a bit of insight into the Bournonville style for example). There was a doc on Sir Peter Wright at 90 in 2016.  Wasn't too keen on the Francesca Hayward's Sugar Plum Fairy documentary (Dancing the Nutcracker). I do admit the documentaries can be a bit 'formulaic' and dumbed-down - with the wearingly modern dull BBC production values applied - superficial visuals, sensationalist or sentimental tone, and 'travelogue'  style (I thought Rojo and Bussell and Hayward did rise a bit above that though.)

 

Naively I still thought there was a full length ballet on BBC every xmas but after digging around perhaps I am wrong, could only find BRB cinderella 2010 and RB Winter's Tale 2014. Apart from that, it is either Matthew Bourne or a ballet documentary. (But there was Scottish Ballet's Fairy's Kiss on BBC Arts - maybe it wasn't broadcast, internet only?)

 

And that does lead to the other point, the inevitable effect of the internet. YouTube (and other) channels now provide much access to absolutely wonderful ballet video footage and documentaries, including the Royal Ballet's own channel - than the BBC probably ever did in it's entire history - correct me if I'm wrong! I would agree that the BBC should not simply then 'give up' on it's duty, but let's not give up hope just yet, there's still some good ballet programmes to be found on the BBC (I liked the Dancing to Happiness programme too).

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33 minutes ago, northstar said:

I still thought there was a full length ballet on BBC every xmas but after digging around perhaps I am wrong, could only find BRB cinderella 2010 and RB Winter's Tale 2014

 

Royal Ballet’s Swan Lake this Christmas Day and still on iPlayer for a couple of weeks - a treat in store if you’ve missed it northstar.  There have been quite a few comments about the broadcast on the Swan Lake link.

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Thanks JohnS yes of course - I just didn't mention it because I was taking for granted everyone on the forum knew about it. I keep meaning to re-watch it before it vanishes from iPlayer. I wonder when the last time a full length Swan Lake (not Bourne!) was broadcast on BBC?

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On 05/01/2019 at 20:31, thewinelake said:

Surely there must be people discussing this abomination??!

There are discussions yes, and in scathing terms, mostly. As far as I can gather, this programme has gone down like a lead balloon with pretty much everyone.

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What was that dance competition they had about 5 years ago? I'm not talking about the one on Sky. That was better. I think they managed 2 series before canning it.

Ah, I see it was "So you think you can dance?". Produced by Simon Fuller. Presumably without Cowell's involvement.

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13 hours ago, JohnS said:

 

I’m not sure if you saw the programme Fonty but Darcey Bussell’s ‘Dancing to Happiness’ really was wonderful, shown I think in early December.  No longer on iPlayer but I’m sure will be repeated.  It showed how dance can help those with dementia and Parkinson's, the old and lonely, and young people struggling with mental illnesses.  A remarkable tribute to dance and its health and life enhancing powers and those gifted facilitators who use dance so effectively to help people discover themselves, their memories and hidden strengths.   Excellent programmes are still being made.

 

I didn't see it, John.  I will make sure to keep an eye out for it.  

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