Harwel Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Nicola H said: Please put your Dunning-Kruger card down for a moment, as all you are doing is embarassing yourself and demonstrating where your knowledge is dangerously weak. What a completely unnecessary comment! @ArucariaBallerina - ignore such an unkind and inaccurate comment. I never understand what this persons trying to say half the time anyway - the words yes, the meaning no. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, Picturesinthefirelight said: All done according to the DALOG principal. DALOG is all very well, isn't it, but there comes a point where it just isn't enough - there's no substitute for first-hand experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Excuse my ignorance but what is DALOG? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Done A Lot Of Googling 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Haha! Thank you. 😄 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebony Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Nicola H said: Please put your Dunning-Kruger card down for a moment, as all you are doing is embarassing yourself and demonstrating where your knowledge is dangerously weak. i very rarely comment on here, but gosh, how rude and condescending 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate_N Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, taxi4ballet said: Done A Lot Of Googling That's two things I've learned on this thread today! I love that - DALOG Edited July 21, 2018 by Kate_N 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, ebony said: i very rarely comment on here, but gosh, how rude and condescending Spectacularly so. Especially coming from someone whose experience of the topic being discussed is nil. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glissade Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Nicola H said: Please put your Dunning-Kruger card down for a moment, as all you are doing is embarassing yourself and demonstrating where your knowledge is dangerously weak. Nicola, if you knew that Arucaria is still only a teenager, then your comment shows an outstanding lack of moral kindness and empathy. To accuse a child of this is abusive in the extreme. If you didn't know Arucaria's age when you wrote this comment, then your readiness to attack a stranger is disturbing and bordering on sociopathic. Edited July 21, 2018 by glissade 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kate_N said: That's two things I've learned on this thread today! I love that - DALOG There's a lot of it about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate_N Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Anyway, hope you're OK, Arucaria. It's all just strangers on the internet ... Desperately trying to yank this thread back ON-topic: perhaps we need to chalk up the RBS Insta post simply to them putting on Instagram what they already do? I gather that one of the main reasons for participating in the Prix de Lausanne and the Youth America Grand Prix is the opportunity to be considered for a scholarship at a handful of the world's best ballet schools. And that this has always been the case - this isn't a new policy, as far as I know. I know it's a difficult topic, but personally, I'm quite proud of the fact that British ballet schools are in the category of "best in the world." Up there with the Vaganova Institute, the Bolshoi Ballet school, and so on. And training international dancers in a specifically & recognisably "English" style, just as the Danish National school trains dancers in Bournonville style, or the Vaganova Institute trains in a typically "Russian" style. We might all - justifiably in my view - be worried about the future of general arts education in this country, of course. In my field, we suffer from the exclusion of creative arts from the eBacc. The arts generally are becoming the preserve of pupils in fee-paying schools or with parents with resources to do extra-curricular music, theatre, dance &etc. It's awful. There is a horridly instrumentalist (dare I say philistine?) attitude in our current government, and the general "Nobody trusts experts" atmosphere. But we can fight this - at the ballot box, in our schools, in our communities. This forum is part of that - grass roots activism to promote the arts! [PS: Some message boards software have an "Ignore" function - does this one?] Edited July 21, 2018 by Kate_N 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Yes it does, Kate - just hover over their name and the option window pops up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate_N Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 things I've learnt 😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArucariaBallerina Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (Thanks everyone for all their kindness and support! Nicola, I'm sorry for angering you in any way, but I forgive you for what you said. Wish you all the best .) I like the diversity in English schools and companies.... Without international auditions etc, our stages wouldn't be blessed with Marianela Nunez, and other beautiful dancers! And said dancers are always hard working, talented and passionate, so they definitely deserve their place! I'm sure lots of English dancers are just as good, but perhaps their technique takes longer to flourish... Foreign dancers are more like bubbly, fizzing champagne, and English dancers are like fine red wine that blooms with age! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) I am not stalking you Taxi but I tried your advice by hovering over your name and nothing happened until I got so close it took me to your home page!! More than once! Edited July 21, 2018 by LinMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 One thing I will say which could be misleading about competitions is that some dancers spend months and months just rehearsing one variation. A competitor at the Prix said that he had to go into his performance with only two to three weeks of preparation and then learned that some others had been practising the same piece for months! When you watch Belinda Hatley rehearsing the year 9/10 girls from the World Ballet Day videos I thought they were all delightful and am sure if she had given them a piece from Coppelia and asked them to practice the same piece every day for three months they would be on a par for sure. Quite a lot of girls from abroad who manage to get into the Upper School have been through White Lodge for a number of years anyway not all from abroad have only just gone into the first year of Upper schl etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballet4ever Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, LinMM said: One thing I will say which could be misleading about competitions is that some dancers spend months and months just rehearsing one variation. A competitor at the Prix said that he had to go into his performance with only two to three weeks of preparation and then learned that some others had been practising the same piece for months! When you watch Belinda Hatley rehearsing the year 9/10 girls from the World Ballet Day videos I thought they were all delightful and am sure if she had given them a piece from Coppelia and asked them to practice the same piece every day for three months they would be on a par for sure. Quite a lot of girls from abroad who manage to get into the Upper School have been through White Lodge for a number of years anyway not all from abroad have only just gone into the first year of Upper schl etc. Out of the original 12 English girls who started at wl in year 7 only 2 have been accepted into upper school the rest have either been assessed out or have left. The majority of the foreign girls who are starting at upper school this year have only been at wl for 2 years so they haven’t exactly been through their system of training they have been brought in to make the school look good and according to a teacher from the school they only take through the English because of the funding scheme from the government! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna C Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, ArucariaBallerina said: (Thanks everyone for all their kindness and support! Nicola, I'm sorry for angering you in any way, but I forgive you for what you said. Wish you all the best .) I like the diversity in English schools and companies.... Without international auditions etc, our stages wouldn't be blessed with Marianela Nunez, and other beautiful dancers! And said dancers are always hard working, talented and passionate, so they definitely deserve their place! I'm sure lots of English dancers are just as good, but perhaps their technique takes longer to flourish... Foreign dancers are more like bubbly, fizzing champagne, and English dancers are like fine red wine that blooms with age! Arucaria, you have done nothing wrong and you do not need to apologise. Diversity on any world stage, be that ballet or football, can only ever be a good thing. I have favourite RB and ENB dancers from many different countries; what draws me to them is the quality of their storytelling, their beautiful lines, their watchability and stage presence, as well as the quality of their dancing. I think what people are questioning is not diversity in either schools or companies, but the disconnect in the UK between careful age-and physique-appropriate training at Lower School level (and balancing training with academics) and what Upper Schools are looking for. The latter seems quite often to be hot-housed competition winners, some of whom may have been put en pointe far too early and whose careers may well be short-lived due to injury. When British-trained dancers are cast aside after a year or two years of upper school, to make way for competition winners brought in for one year, one might wonder why. As for the miraculous Marianela Nuñez - if I remember rightly, she started her professional career at 14. Given the scarcity of paid ballet contracts for girls graduating from UK schools, let alone the girls who have been injured or assessed out, I don't think many parents in this country would be happy for our daughters to start a ballet career with no GCSEs or academic backup at all. Dancers like Nuñez are a rarity! ☺️ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahw Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 @ArucariaBallerina 💙💚💛 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, LinMM said: I am not stalking you Taxi but I tried your advice by hovering over your name and nothing happened until I got so close it took me to your home page!! More than once! Wait... what??!! Are you on a laptop - that's how it works on mine. You just move the cursor over the name. The other options are 'message' and 'find content' and it is alongside those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Well I must admit it was a bit disturbing to read that the Director of RBS wasn't there to assess the auditions here in UK Could have been a clash of dates but doesn't exactly look like very good planning on RBS part does it. The Prix dates are known a year in advance!! I have a friend who is a Friend of the RBS she might have more internal knowledge I will ask her next time I see her. Yes perhaps not all those students from abroad have been at White Lodge since Year 7 but have joined a couple of years later but I suppose more "home grown" than complete newbys coming into Year 12. Even girls going into year 7 have trained somewhere else first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Am on an IPad Taxi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, LinMM said: Well I must admit it was a bit disturbing to read that the Director of RBS wasn't there to assess the auditions here in UK Could have been a clash of dates but doesn't exactly look like very good planning on RBS part does it. The Prix dates are known a year in advance!! Not for the first time, I understand? Of course, Darcey Bussell didn't join the RBS until she was 13, and it doesn't seem to have done her career any harm, although I think she said she had to work extra hard to catch up. Plus of course there's the problem of integrating into a school when the other pupils have already had a couple of years to get to know each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mummy twinkle toes Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 13 hours ago, taxi4ballet said: Well this is a kick in the teeth for British training, isn't it? It appears they are only interested in applicants who have been intensively trained elsewhere in the world. They are going the same way as ENBS. I would think it is financial. They are aiming for talent but also people that have some finances behind them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mummy twinkle toes Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Re: pointe work. No one wants to see the return of 5 years old on pointe but there is research that now shows it does not have a great effect on growth plates. Age is not a great predictor as one 12 year old is vastly different from another. I have pasted a link below. I would rather base my opinions on research than traditional opinions about when someone should start. No one should be insulting anyone else let alone a child. The magazine article alludes to some of the research being conducted. http://dancemagazine.com.au/2018/01/making-the-choice-to-the-pointe-the-right-age-to-go-en-pointe/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alison Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, ArucariaBallerina said: (Thanks everyone for all their kindness and support! Nicola, I'm sorry for angering you in any way, but I forgive you for what you said. Wish you all the best .) Arucaria, just to reiterate: you have nothing to apologise for. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD Driver Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 7 hours ago, Kate_N said: Personally, I'm very proud that this country is still seen as a world centre for dance and dance training - that our teachers, facilities, State investment in the arts and in arts education is at the very top of the world. And international mobility is a two-way thing - look at the experiences of members of this forum, with their own or their children's ability to move abroad to study at the highest level. I think this is an important point. Against fierce competition from overseas, these top schools and companies have endured. Just challenging, I'm sure, at a personal level. By the way...On the RBS website, it states that the RBS will be at the Prix in Sept 2018 (video audition selection time) and IBStage Grand Prix in Nov 2018 But NOT attending YAGP this year. Not sure if that is a schedule conflict or change in direction https://www.royalballetschool.org.uk/train/apply/audition-dates-venues/#1532077195396-6fd45c38-712d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola H Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 it looks like i have some apologies to make .... Firstly to @ArucariaBallerina my Dunning -Kruger comment was out of line and I Apologise to you for saying that. I agree that you have little if anything to apologise for in your comments or conduct in this thread. If you wish to find out a little more about learning and development associated topics i'd be happy to point you in the direction of relevant resources, this applies to any and all other readers of the thread . Secondly to the readership in general for making a post to the thread that took it off course. Thirdly for having to go to work on a Saturday afternoon and not being able to make the the first apology until nearly midnight. However the thread has raised some other issues , I do not especially wish to drag this out, but it takes an awful lot of DALOG to equal the 4600 hours of my primary HE qualification and Not currently active Professional Registration, ditto with the various training and assessing awards I have held or currently hold. nor am i going to labour the point about the CPD i had to do in former professional roles which is directly relevant certain issues of physiology. I find the tone of certain posters to be rather close to the edge and especially distressing from the way in which it has been phrased in this thread. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola H Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 there's another Apology i Need to make Publicly as well as by PM @DD Driver sorry for turning your thread into a trainwreck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD Driver Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Nicola H said: there's another Apology i Need to make Publicly as well as by PM @DD Driver sorry for turning your thread into a trainwreck ha ha - I don't think so but thank you! You apologised and I hope no one feels a need to review the detail of that. ONWARDS >>>> 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola H Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, DD Driver said: ha ha - I don't think so but thank you! You apologised and I hope no one feels a need to review the detail of that. ONWARDS >>>> @taxi4ballet raised an interesting question and one which arguably is deserving of it's own thread ... so i made a thread for that question, which us mere mortals can comment upon ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Just to add a small clarification RBS specifically say on their website that they will not be attending YAGP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola H Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Looks like post i made last night trying to reference the other thread meta referenced this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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