Jan McNulty Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 This item was included in the email newsletter: https://new-adventures.net/jobs/young-dancer-auditions-for-new-production 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyLou Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Such an amazing opportunity. My eldest dc misses out by just two weeks, 16th birthday is just outside the requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It does seem an odd cut off date as it divides a whole school year. Those with birthdays in the second half of the year miss out. The standard date of 31st August as used by most ballet courses is better - though I realise it isn't the cut off for school year in Scotland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyLou Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The dates aren't the best either, the venue closest to us is scheduled in the middle of exam season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointetoes Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 DD is going to give it ago,not expecting to get in but going for the audition experience. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancertaxi Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pointetoes said: DD is going to give it ago,not expecting to get in but going for the audition experience. My DD saw this and wanted to do the same. Unfortunately I don't think she d pass as 16 given she's only 10! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) Its a very odd cut off especially as I don't think any local authority would grant a performance licence for someone still in Year 11 to perform and miss school during May/June. If they are wanting to avoid performance license then they need to use the school year cut off aprt from performances from the last Friday in June onwards. Edited April 4, 2018 by Picturesinthefirelight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It’s very bizarre I wondered if they had got it muddled and thought anyone over 16 was exempt from needing a performance license or chaperone. Certainly not the case where I live where kids still need a license in the August after they have left school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I wonder whether it isn't more to do with the fact that in performances according to current legislation, under 16s may not share dressing rooms with dancers who are 16+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bluebird22 said: It’s very bizarre I wondered if they had got it muddled and thought anyone over 16 was exempt from needing a performance license or chaperone. Certainly not the case where I live where kids still need a license in the August after they have left school! Grrrrr - If that is the case Bluebird then the LEA are quite utterly WRONG!!!! What is it with them? ARe they totally incompetent (don't answer that one, you know them as well as I do) They don't need a licence after the last Friday in June of Year 11 (so some kids won't even be 16). This is the legal definition of compulsory school age in Engladn & Wales (not Scotland) and the legislation clearly refers to compulsory school age. However anyone who turns 16 in that year definately needs a performance licence up to that day. The NIECC would be interested in this I bet. Edited April 4, 2018 by Picturesinthefirelight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The other authority rang me two days before a show to tell me that they had “misplaced” the licenses for a number of children. I hope the rest of the country has slightly better luck with their licensing departments since ours is utterly incompetent! I will query the license age with them again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Give me strength! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola H Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Picturesinthefirelight said: Grrrrr - If that is the case Bluebird then the LEA are quite utterly WRONG!!!! What is it with them? ARe they totally incompetent (don't answer that one, you know them as well as I do) They don't need a licence after the last Friday in June of Year 11 (so some kids won't even be 16). This is the legal definition of compulsory school age in Engladn & Wales (not Scotland) and the legislation clearly refers to compulsory school age. However anyone who turns 16 in that year definately needs a performance licence up to that day. The NIECC would be interested in this I bet. 16 -19 year olds now are still of 'compulsory school age' until the end of what would be year 13 school / college / HE / approved job with training or training with job ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, Nicola H said: 16 -19 year olds now are still of 'compulsory school age' until the end of what would be year 13 school / college / HE / approved job with training or training with job ... It's not 19 it's 18 (and only for England, other nations have different rules). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) The requirement to remain in education or training has not affected the legal definition of compulsory school age with regards to child performance licensing regulations & that was clarified when the legislation was updated in 2015. Althogh i knew this (I am a licensed chaperone) I actually checked again before posting my reply to Bluebird. As far as humanly possible I try to ensure anything I post is accurate by referring to an original source rather than assuming I know everything. Edited April 4, 2018 by Picturesinthefirelight 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicola H Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, taxi4ballet said: It's not 19 it's 18 (and only for England, other nations have different rules). that age group referred to as 16 -19 for decades in respect of education, social security , even though few if any actualyl turn 19 before they age out of the group in question , but plenty are 18 1/2 or older at the point their leave that group ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) Which is irrelevant to the discussion about child licensing & the specific cut off dates set by this company. Edited April 5, 2018 by Picturesinthefirelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) From the government website clarifying that the official legal definition of school leaving age (as referred to in child licensing legislation) has not changed. School leaving age Your school leaving age depends on where you live. England You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays. You must then do one of the following until you’re 18: stay in full-time education, for example at a college start an apprenticeship or traineeship spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training Scotland If you turn 16 between 1 March and 30 September you can leave school after 31 May of that year. If you turn 16 between 1 October and the end of February you can leave at the start of the Christmas holidays in that school year. Wales You can leave school on the last Friday in June, as long as you’ll be 16 by the end of that school year’s summer holidays. Northern Ireland If you turn 16 during the school year (between 1 September and 1 July) you can leave school after 30 June. If you turn 16 between 2 July and 31 August you can’t leave school until 30 June the following year. Child performing licensing is about children working & the restrictions set. They also require a licence from the local council to have a part time job (eg paper round/Saturday job) until the last Friday in June of Year 11. Edited April 5, 2018 by Picturesinthefirelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balletbean Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 10 hours ago, taxi4ballet said: It's not 19 it's 18 (and only for England, other nations have different rules). We have slightly different rules/legislation as well. A child can leave school on the 30th June if they turn 16 that school year ie Yr11 for most schools. After that there is no legislation for what they MUST do. They could stay at home all day if they wish and live off the Bank of Mum and Dad! As all performers for this Adventure have to be over 16 they will all be technically over the compulsory school age. So the rules are more lenient from what I gather. On another note as there is no mention of remuneration for the performers just expenses (travel etc) they may well be excluded from the Law regarding Employment. The experience and training opportunity will be priceless for those fortunate teenagers. If that makes any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balletbean Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) On 04/04/2018 at 07:41, HollyLou said: The dates aren't the best either, the venue closest to us is scheduled in the middle of exam season. They really are looking for local dancers for each venue, which is proving to be rather challenging as dates vary so much for all the venues. As you have pointed out many of the dates clash with GCSE's. Except for one or two venues. Which is odd as the performance dates are so far away, some being within term time whilst others are during the summer holidays. Edited April 5, 2018 by balletbean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, balletbean said: We have slightly different rules/legislation as well. A child can leave school on the 30th June if they turn 16 that school year ie Yr11 for most schools. After that there is no legislation for what they MUST do. They could stay at home all day if they wish and live off the Bank of Mum and Dad! As all performers for this Adventure have to be over 16 they will all be technically over the compulsory school age. So the rules are more lenient from what I gather. On another note as there is no mention of remuneration for the performers just expenses (travel etc) they may well be excluded from the Law regarding Employment. The experience and training opportunity will be priceless for those fortunate teenagers. If that makes any sense. Balletbean - In England the child performing regulations only differentiate between paid and non paid performing opportunities if the child has taken part in less than 4 performances in 6 months AND if no time off school is allowed. If those conditions are met then an exemption can be granted. I obviously don't know the situation/regulations where you are. The rehearsal schedule indicates that a week of school would be missed (not sure if there is a mid-week matinee) The first few dates on this tour are in May and June so all young people whose 16th birthdays fall between 1st September 2018 and 31st August 2019 will be subject to the licensing conditions for those venues. From Sadlers Wells onwards they will be OK. So going back to the original point made by pas de quatre, it is a very strange cut off date for age and elimates those year 11's with spring/summer birthdays who will have "left school" going by the legal definition by the time of the later venues. Edited April 5, 2018 by Picturesinthefirelight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Let's hope they are reading this. I have one pupil who would be an excellent candidate,, but will not be 16 until mid March, seems weird! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 13 hours ago, Nicola H said: that age group referred to as 16 -19 for decades in respect of education, social security , even though few if any actualyl turn 19 before they age out of the group in question , but plenty are 18 1/2 or older at the point their leave that group ... Almost everyone who posts on this forum is a parent, and will already be perfectly well aware of the school leaving age in their region/country (especially the parents of the age group referred to in this thread). They do not need to have it explained to them. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, taxi4ballet said: Almost everyone who posts on this forum is a parent, and will already be perfectly well aware of the school leaving age in their region/country (especially the parents of the age group referred to in this thread). They do not need to have it explained to them. As a parent that has only been living in the UK since 2010 I am not au fait with the all these regulations so these various posts has been very useful indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 But presumably only if that information is correct in the first place Ravasmum. The information I and taxi and balletbean gave is correct for our areas, the information that Nicola gave when she tried to contradict us is unfortunately not correct as she has presumably never had to research child licensing or attend local authority chaperone/licensing training courses. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balletbean Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I’ve had a response from the organisers. They really are looking for performers local to the area and that they audition there. That throws up some issues as for the pupils could be auditioning this spring whilst at their local school/home address but by the time the performance dates come around they could be the other end of the country at Vocational School/College. Closer to another venue. 🤨. Fantastic opportunity but also a tad confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I suspect that the project is not aimed at dancers who are/will be in full-time vocational training. Perhaps it is more about giving an opportunity to others? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I suspect the same taxi, and I think a lot of vocational schools woule not allow their students the time off. I suspect it is more aimed at 6th formers who are thinking og going the 18 plus training route. It is a fantastic opportunity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Most Yr 11 students in England will be in the middle of GCSE exams during May and June, so whether they are 16 or only 15 is not like to matter after all, parents and or day schools won't want them to miss school days for those venues where performances are then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billyelliott Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I was wondering what was wrong with the dates until I looked at the ones in Birmingham and realised they are all different so that they are manageable for us because they’re in September ! Although it will be difficult to promise to be available on eight occasions throuhout an entire year from July 18 through to September 19 when we don’t know exactly when that will be!! we did the Lord of the Flies a few years ago and it was well worth it ! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danceroo Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I see they have released some new venues to audition at earlier this week. Has anyone had a response from there applications yet? The deadline was Monday so still a bit early I imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billyelliott Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 No reply yet just an acknowledgment email ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pas de Quatre Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I really wonder how it will work with some of the venues. Our nearest is Mayflower Southampton, but to take part would effectively involve 2 weeks off school in September 2019 (in addition to the Sunday rehearsals scattered through the year). I can't see that working except for those going onto a degree course with a late start. I just have one pupil who has applied for Sadler's Wells because it is in the summer holidays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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