Anjuli_Bai Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 In another thread (Room 101) in another forum (Not Dance) the subject came up of what does "Prima Ballerina Assoluta" mean and who has worn the title? The title (from what I've read) is bestowed by general acclamation: critics, press, audience, ballet movers and shakers - it's a case of you know it when you see it. The first was Italian ballerina Pierina Legnani - mostly for her career on the Russian stage. The first Russian Assoluta was Mathilde Kchessinskaya. Two more Russians were so acclaimed: Galina Ulanova and Maya Plisetskaya. Two from Britain: Alicia Markova - (the first Assoluta who did not spend her career on the Russian stage) as well as, of course, Margot Fonteyn. Alicia Alonso is another - a dancer from Cuba, the first from the Western Hemisphere. Today there are two living Assolutas: Alonso and Plisetskaya. For the men - the title is Danseur Noble and I can only think of Erik Bruhn as having been so acclaimed. But, I could be wrong about any of the above and left someone out. Prima Ballerina means "first ballerina" - Assoluta is much broader than that - a First among firsts. Ballerina traditionally meant a female dancer of the classical dance - ballet - dancing in a professional company on a known stage, in the classical repertoire. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavlala Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Alessandra Ferri is an Assoluta, I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 http://www.danceforall.co.za/history Here is some info on Phyllis Spira a South African dancer who had this title who until today had never heard of but who also appears to have done a lot for ballet in the townships around Capetown. Sounds like she was a rather wonderful lady. There is a clip on YouTube if you google her name where the lovely use of her eyes is something to learn from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/arts/dance/17spira.html Some more info. I included this as its by the very lady who gave the not so favourable review of the new ENB Le Corsaire (discussed on that thread) As this is some years ago and had not heard of either lady until today thought was a bit of a coincidence!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 A word of thanks to Fonteyn22 for bringing Phyllis to our attention initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa O`Brien Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yes, I too have heard of Phyllis Spira in the last few years,but only because I looked up PB Assolutas on Wikipedia and her name was among the list. I was like,who??Isn`t there a Swedish one too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa O`Brien Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 In continuing from Room 101... Silly little girls who have often had hardly any ballet training at all and call themselves "Ballerinas". I got into a debate with one on the internet a few years back. She was 14 I think. She just didn`t understand that she was supposed to call herself a ballet student. She insisted that she really was a ballerina. Oh ,and she insisted that ballet was a sport,not an art form. Silly cow.!!!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjuli_Bai Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 To this day it makes me very uncomfortable when anyone calls me in any context a "ballerina." I consider myself to have been a ballet dancer and teacher - and no more. I'm very content with that. But, I've also learned that trying to correct people who use the word "ballerina" so loosely is a lost cause. So inwardly I wince and outwardly I smile and try to remember their intentions are good.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfbrew Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I to correct several little girls the other day who in all seriousness thought my sons job title was ballerina! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 In another thread (Room 101) in another forum (Not Dance) the subject came up of what does "Prima Ballerina Assoluta" mean and who has worn the title? The title (from what I've read) is bestowed by general acclamation: critics, press, audience, ballet movers and shakers - it's a case of you know it when you see it. The first was Italian ballerina Pierina Legnani - mostly for her career on the Russian stage. The first Russian Assoluta was Mathilde Kchessinskaya. Two more Russians were so acclaimed: Galina Ulanova and Maya Plisetskaya. I think I read somewhere that Kchessinskaya more or less demanded that she be given the title, because she was very well connected and powerful. I believe there was some controversy about this, and various people very high up in the ballet world felt she did not deserve it for her dancing. That may, of course, be just rumour. The clip I saw on youtube of Phyllis Spira showed her doing a piece from Le Corsaire. I thought she was very Fonteyn-like in the way she danced. She also looked mixed race to me, but I say that just by looking at the clip, and I have not had a chance to read up anything else about her. Now here is a good topic - who among the ballet dancers of the last few years should have received this title officially, do you think? I shall now settle down and wait for the debates to begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belljul Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I to correct several little girls the other day who in all seriousness thought my sons job title was ballerina! Haha hfbrew! That is funny. Have you heard the tounge-in-cheek term "ballet-rhino" for a male dancer? My son is called this at home Better than ballerina! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoriapage Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Actually, 'ballerino' is used in Italian: http://www.wordreference.com/iten/ballerino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Phyllis was Jewish in origin which may explain her looks. Have no idea who should receive title today. Most seem to be strongly linked to a particular company as well but everyone dances everywhere these days(more or less) and has to be someone who has had reasonably long career. Most likely candidate for me is Diana Vishneva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance*is*life Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 (edited) Wasn't Anton Dolin a Danseur Noble??? And what about Alicia Markova? Edited October 25, 2013 by Dance*is*life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjuli_Bai Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Wasn't Anton Dolin a Danseur Noble??? And what about Alicia Markova? I do believe that Alicia Markova was mentioned in my opening post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimi66 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Carla Fracci? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance*is*life Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Sorry Anjuli - senior moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 "The second ballerina to be given the title was Legnani's contemporary Mathilde Kschessinska. Petipa, however, did not agree that she should hold such a title; although an extraordinary ballerina, she obtained the title primarily via Imperial prestige." Just found this quote regarding Kschessinska. As far as I can see, Danseur Noble seems to indicate more the type of role a male dancer is judged to be a supreme example of, rather than his dancing overall. It seems it doesn't carry the same indication of being "the best of the best". I am struggling to think of any of the recent Principal females that I have seen that could possible fit into that category. I suppose the reason the title isn't handed out any more is because the names on the list were, in their own ways, ground breaking in terms of achievement. I can't really think of anyone who towered or towers above the others in quite the same way today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 And just going on from my previous post, I think choreographers appear to have had a large say in the matter as well. Having said that, Balenchine didn't think to name any of his ladies in that way - maybe because, from what I have read about him, he was hugely jealous and went off them if they dared to spurn his attentions off stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjuli_Bai Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Dance is Life: Thank you for thinking of her. From what i recall, Kschessinskaya and Petipa did not have a smooth relationship - at all. He did not favor Russian ballerinas - he favored the Italian ballerinas. It is true she was powerfully connected (two Grand Dukes and the Tsar), however one needed to be powerfully connected in order to get stage time - so it became a chicken-egg thing. I agree that the male title "Danseur Noble" is a type and there doesn't seem to be a male title which directly equals "assoluta." I think the Balanchine ballerinas - while marvelous dancers - spent most of their careers working very closely with a specific choreographer and style and so, in my opinion, for the most part did not dance the full length classics.. My personal definition of an assoluta is: "A ballerina who artistically dominates any stage upon which she steps - an international reputation. She has danced and defined the roles of the classical repertoire from the white ballets (Swan Lake, etc.) to the bravura roles such as Kitri (Don Quixote). Not only danced these leading roles, but put her personal stamp upon them. Her performance lingers in the eye of the beholder and sets a standard for artistic portrayal against which others are compared. Her artistry transcends technique." I repeat....the above definition is my personal view - nothing more. I have been fortunate to have seen three Assolutas dance: Alonso, Fonteyn and Plisetskaya. Each for me became the standard against which I found myself comparing all others. I have seen many splendid "Giselles" - but none to equal Alonso. I, too, do not see such a ballerina today - yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dance*is*life Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 But also I think that neo-classicism has done away somewhat with the superstar ballerina image. There are no Grand pas de deux in Balanchine's ballets for them to show off their "tricks" in the codas with the 32 fouettes etc. MacMillan, Cranko and Ashton have beautiful full length ballets with wonderfully dramatic and meaningful pas de deux, whowever they are not showy set pieces, but integral parts of the actual scenarios. Petipa was the choreographer who gave the ballerinas their chance to bask in the limelight, so that was probably what created the "assolutas". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjuli_Bai Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 I don't knkow if this link will work or not - but I had the unique experience of being the only "outsider" permitted to watch Alicia Alonso take class many years ago. I wrote about it for the "old" Ballet.co forum. For those newer members it might be of interest - hope this link works: http://www.ballet.co.uk/magazines/yr_03/nov03/ab_working_with_alicia_alonso.htm 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiz Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I don't just like this, Anjuli, I love it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjuli_Bai Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 Thank you, Fiz - certainly one of the truly special events of my life - and, as usual - totally unplanned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa O`Brien Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 How absolutely wonderful Anjuli. And you described it so beautifully.Thank you so much for sharing this with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victoriapage Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Many years ago, when Margot Fonteyn was doing a tour to promote her book "The Magic of Dance", she was a house guest of Ruth page, with whom she was great friends and who owned our ballet school. Miss page came to the studio one morning with Fonteyn in tow and asked me to give her a building tour, show her where she would dress in Miss page's own dressing room, where the studios etc. were. We had her with us for two days, during which she was ever so kind to the students she met (she never did class with anyone, but didn't seem to mind if a student looked into the studio where she was doing her barre), and when she left she took an entire hour in our building's lobby, surrounded by the students, signing anything and everything they presented to her with great patience, after which she made a point of thanking me "for everything". No disrespect to Miss page's last name, but for some reason my machine is having trouble with capitalizing the letter "p". Edited October 26, 2013 by victoriapage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belljul Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Yes, what a great read Anjuli. I could feel the magic. Thank you for the link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjuli_Bai Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 (edited) Maybe one of the reasons we don't at present see an assoluta on the horizon is because the horizon is more complex...so many stylistic models even within the ballet. Careers - perhaps because of greater physical demands - are shorter. The audience, itself much more diverse, and demanding more diversity. Anna Pavlova is an interesting example when discussing the title assoluta. Why does she not meet the standard? She certainly was an exquisite dancer - had an international reputation and a long career. I think it is because she did not make it her career to dance the standard classical repertoire. Her career consisted for the most part of shorter pieces individualized for her gifts and suited to constant traveling. Cynthia Gregory is an example of a marvelous dancer who was, in my opinion, held back from exploring the full potential of her gifts. She was never given the opportunity, so far as I know, to dance "Juliet". I would have loved to see what she would do with that role. She did dance other dramatic roles. One of the problems she faced was finding a suitable male dancer - both physically and artistically. Patrick Bissell certainly met both requirements - but unforunately had other problems he could not overcome. I had the marvelous experience of observing him teach a men's class - which I will never ever forget. Edited October 26, 2013 by Anjuli_Bai 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straceydor Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Is there no English or British worthy of one of these titles??????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PippinPointe Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 I was lucky enough to have been taught by Alicia Markova, she was so gentle and warm. I have a letter that she wrote to me when I was 15, which is still intact and complete with the envelope. Moments in time to be truly treasured :-) 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjuli_Bai Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 I was lucky enough to have been taught by Alicia Markova, she was so gentle and warm. I have a letter that she wrote to me when I was 15, which is still intact and complete with the envelope. Moments in time to be truly treasured :-) What a wonderful memory! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonty Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Anjuli, that is a wonderful story about Alonso. How lucky you were to see her. I had completely forgotten she was blind. How on earth did she manage to turn without being able to spot? I have edited to add that I agree with your assessment about later dancers and the Assoluta title. I have seen many wonderful performances, but I don't think I have ever seen one where I came out and said, "Yes, that is the best performance I have ever seen of that classic, and that is the standard by which every other dancer of her generation should be measured." Edited October 27, 2013 by Fonteyn22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinMM Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Inspite of these titles bestowed on the dancers mentioned I doubt whether any was the definitive role model for their generation in EVERY role! Makarova's Giselle was pretty unbeatable at the time for me. And her Swan Lake wasn't bad either!! So was Fonteyn the last one to be given this title? Perhaps it's a tribute to so many dancers of out time that they are all on such a par with one another no one standing out in particular especially not in all roles. Not to take away at all from the ones who had this title though they were all marvellous in their way though I did not see Ulanova or Plissetskaya live. Edited October 27, 2013 by LinMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now