annaliesey Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 *Urgh* I just groan sometimes where I hear stuff like (and I have a little mental list) … “her feet were made for pointe shoes” “best in the dance school” “dance is her life” “she is her teacher's favourite” “the youngest in all her classes” “will take / has taken her exams early” “always dances up several levels” “is only 9/10/11/12/13 but at advanced levels” “good enough to skip grades or go straight in at <insert high grade>” Obviously it’s when it’s in a certain context it grates the most, but you can tell when these things are said in a particular way ie; bragging. It’s always along the lines of just how super gifted and hardworking some parents describe their children. And then there’s all the audition stories of being so fantastic, being offered blah blah something but having to turn it down for x/y/z reason. (I’ve switched off at this point). Is it just me that is grumpy about this? It’s like fingers being scraped on a black board for me. I can go right off some people. Why do some parents think their child is the only one child on the planet that works hard? Or that their child is the only one that “deserves” certain things and opportunities because of their “hard work”? Lots of children work hard. In fact, show me a dancer that doesn’t work hard! I believe talent and success speaks for itself. It doesn’t need parents to verbalise it at every opportunity. Just urghhh! Rant over 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pups_mum Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 There are parents like that in every sphere of interest unfortunately. There are a couple of people I know to whom I have given up ever mentioning my children, even in passing, as if I do, I immediately get bombarded with detailed accounts of their children's latest astounding achievements. It does grate, but basically I try to avoid people like that,or if I can't I adopt the "smile and nod" approach and try to let it float over my head. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Dont get me started on these parents! I have some students who come to me for extra coaching from another teacher and their parents actually came in to ask me why I kept correcting their children! Apparently they were so good they had never been corrected prior to entering my class and their parents couldn't understand why they would possibly need correcting! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Dont get me started on these parents! I have some students who come to me for extra coaching from another teacher and their parents actually came in to ask me why I kept correcting their children! Apparently they were so good they had never been corrected prior to entering my class and their parents couldn't understand why they would possibly need correcting! That is really daft. So what did they think was the point of the extra coaching then?!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I think they were expecting extra ego massaging rather than coaching! I told their parents brass is only shiny of you polish it. That seemed to settle it and I'm "allowed" to polish as much as I like. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 There are a couple of people I know to whom I have given up ever mentioning my children, even in passing, as if I do, I immediately get bombarded with detailed accounts of their children's latest astounding achievements. Yep! That too! My dad has a saying that if your dog was dead theirs would be deader!! 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Dont get me started on these parents! I have some students who come to me for extra coaching from another teacher and their parents actually came in to ask me why I kept correcting their children! Apparently they were so good they had never been corrected prior to entering my class and their parents couldn't understand why they would possibly need correcting! That's hilarious! My dd would think the teacher was bored with her if she didn't get any corrections! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 And I absolutely love it if you go somewhere and there's children stretching all over the place with perfect buns and clothes, perhaps even an associate hoodie, and someone comes in looking as scruffy as hell with toes almost poking through their shoes then the take up their position and just floor everyone ... I can't help it, I just love it, even if it shows my girl up too ! 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harwel Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 A little bit of humility goes a long way and it applies to children and parents alike. I always think, 'Tell me when they get a professional contract, then I'll be impressed'. Until then it's just a potential which may materialise or it may not. The very best will make it whatever (and by best I don't necessarily mean technically so, it's a whole combination of things that have to come together to make the whole). What truly matters is that they love what they do. It's a long bumpy road, enjoy your own child's successes along the way and ignore all the changing room point scoring. As for corrections, if my DC wasn't being corrected regularly I'd move teacher! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kate_N Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Oh Annaliesey, yes - I don't get it: ballet training is better to be slow and steady. But here's a heartening tale: member of my family was a bit of a late starter (11 or 12 or so), and was never the "star" of her class or the awful dance competitions that were done for "performance experience." There was another girl who was the prodigy etc etc just as your first post lists. Her mother was always not-bragging, just as you say in your first post - not bragging, just telling us all about her daughter's achievements (yeah, right). Guess who went on to earn her living as a professional dancer reaching at soloist level in an established well-known company? Hint: it wasn't the youthful prodigy ... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 That's sweet kate_n very sweet when it's real Unfortunately one (only one of many!) of my worst dance moms was of a late starter. It was as if because her dd decided to take up ballet at 11/12 she had a point to prove and was the worst bragger / pain ever! It was things like "she works so hard" (meaning she probably practised once a week or something) when our kids has been "working hard" for years! Our children regularly made sacrifices such as sleepovers or birthday parties or play dates for years but suddenly since she started, the whole world needed to know about a missed birthday meal or family event. It was like "get over yourself". She had no idea how irritating and insulting she was to everyone who had been dedicated to their dance for years. Then there was all the sucking up to dance teacher, all the dreadful pics on social media, discussions about being desperate to go on pointe after less than a year, criticism of others who she didn't think were strong enough to go on pointe. The mum must have read a ballet manual and just spoke so much garbage generally .. ! If she had just left her to get on with it, the dd might have enjoyed her start into ballet more without the self inflicted competitiveness ... Ridiculous As you say Harwel "tell me when you get a professional contract" ... Until then excuse me while I yawn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petalviolet Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Worst overheard bragging dance mum comment ever went.. "Brag brag brag..brag brag..brag..." Turn to neighbour "So........(pausing for respite after exhausting bragging) Has YOUR daughter found.....anything.....she EXCELS at.....................yet?" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think some people forget that children learn by example and in my experience the mums who brag tend to turn their children into divas - won't take correction, correct other children, sulk when they aren't on the front row, brag about themselves and take real offence when other people achieve things or shock horror do better than them! Interestingly I have never come across the same situation with boys and their mums. But I've heard mums of girls saying "he only got xyz because he's a boy" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balletmum55 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I was told, to my face (when my dd got rbs JA scheme and dance mum dd did not) "I didn't expect her to get a place anyway as rbs only take children with no technique, and my dd has amazing technique"!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picturesinthefirelight Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Well your corrections must be ok bluebird as I see there is more good news coming out of your school last night (reported in a proud but non bragging way) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2dancersmum Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Trust me there are boys mums who are just as bad - not as frequently to be fair but then there are fewer boys also. I once had the misfortune to sit next to a mum of a 15 year old boy prior to a 'showing of work' at the end of a workshop and heard all about her wonderfully talented advanced ballet dancer son who had not even needed to audition for Elmhurst or Hammond because they had heard of him and wanted him. Out came the dancers - 5 boys in total amongst the girls and the person without a doubt with the worst technique was this boy - completely outshone by the 9 and 10 year old boys with far better technique and presentation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Balletmummy55 my mum was told I would never amount to anything because my long legs got in the way, which looking back is just the most hilarious criticism for so many reasons a) I was the tiniest child in my year at school I'm only 5ft2 c) lots of ballet dancers have long legs, in fact it's quite a nice quality! Pictures, I think I should PM you! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) Worst overheard bragging dance mum comment ever went.. "Brag brag brag..brag brag..brag..." Turn to neighbour "So........(pausing for respite after exhausting bragging) Has YOUR daughter found.....anything.....she EXCELS at.....................yet?" oh please tell me how the other woman responded? was it a ) smile sweetly and say "yes thank you" b ) was it to tell her to "go forth and multiply" c ) was it with a "I'm sorry I've spilled my coffee all over you" d ) was it "yes thank you, has yours?" Edited March 22, 2016 by annaliesey 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 I was told, to my face (when my dd got rbs JA scheme and dance mum dd did not) "I didn't expect her to get a place anyway as rbs only take children with no technique, and my dd has amazing technique"!! yes! haha and I've also heard "It's not that they are better than you, we all know you are better but they are looking for just a certain physique even if there's no talent or technique!" How arrogant to think that these places cannot spot talent as well as other stuff/physique 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balletmum55 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Hope it was c and d simultaneously! oh please tell me how the other woman responded? was it a ) smile sweetly and say "yes thank you" b ) was it to tell her to "go forth and multiply" c ) was it with a "I'm sorry I've spilled my coffee all over you" d ) was it "yes thank you, has yours?" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petalviolet Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Dance mum's like that tend to cultivate chit chat with an easy target though don't they? What they want is a good sounding board, in this case, a flustered nanny who couldn't think of anything quickly enough off the top of her head mumbled feebly something about "she likes a good book". Don't worry though. It was with great delight.. I witnessed dance mum's prodigy child escorted out of class moments later with teacher's hand firmly on crown of her head and ejected back into her mothers arms with the phrase.."well...she did manage to be better behaved than last week". Nothing beats a dance teacher for keeping it real. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird22 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Petalviolet it sounds like you've been sat outside one of my classes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dramascientist Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Picture DD at funding audition with DH. Nobody talking to DH (being the only man) lots of mothers brag brag brag, one turns ro DH "and has your daughter managed to get any offers, she's qiute tall isn't she?" DH oblivious "err yes erm I think offers from Tring Park, The Hamoond ,is it? and err the one in Scotland...not sure of the name but its on the West coast" ....."silence" much shuffling of bottoms on seats! 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think I'm getting better at spotting them now though... ... they hover around the reception desk or organisers with chit chat and gleaning special bits of information ... they constantly look over your shoulder in case there is someone more influential to talk to ... they have enormous hand bags full every conceivable accessory you could ever want ... kids in the brightest leotard (to stand out!) I'm sure I'm on the right track here hehe 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 ... hand firmly on crown of her head and ejected back into her mothers arms sounds like a technique police use to get criminals into their cars! lol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddsballetmum Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 All the above are the reason why I sit in my car for pick up and drop off and go nowhere near the dance studio. There are some lovely mums at our dance school but unfortunately most of the diva mums are in my daughters year. Once caught a dance mum sneaking a peak at my dd's exam result which she had left on the chair whilst she went to the loo. The look on her face when she saw the result just made me laugh. My advice - stay as far away from them as possible!! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loulabelle Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Then there's the 'festival braggers'..................???? I've been sat at a festival enjoying watching all the dancers, my daughter included. The mum I'm sat next to has 'bragged' non stop about how good her DD was, how she's really worked so hard on her dance, how proud she is of her and how she's sure to be placed. I sit there nodding and complimenting her DD waiting for her to say how nicely my DD danced too. It doesn't happen! My DD is placed, hers isn't and she stomps off without a word of congratulations. Then proceeds to make excuses for her DD in the dressing room while I keep my head down???? Sound familiar festival mums??? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Then there's the 'festival braggers'.................. I've been sat at a festival enjoying watching all the dancers, my daughter included. The mum I'm sat next to has 'bragged' non stop about how good her DD was, how she's really worked so hard on her dance, how proud she is of her and how she's sure to be placed. I sit there nodding and complimenting her DD waiting for her to say how nicely my DD danced too. It doesn't happen! My DD is placed, hers isn't and she stomps off without a word of congratulations. Then proceeds to make excuses for her DD in the dressing room while I keep my head down Sound familiar festival mums??? haha.. yep Don't tell me.. she was competing with an injury/illness/just lost a family member/ or ... only learned the dance in 3 mins or something like that .. blah blah Its even worse if it's someone from your own dance school! it's horrible as so unnecessary. If it had been the other way round you would have heard loads I'm sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hfbrew Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Dh travelling to JAs with ds. Loads of bun heads get on all full of themselves bragging loudly about their dance ability, schools etc. Ds quietly unbuttoned coat to reveal RBS JA sweatshirt. Whole carriage goes silent! (A good ten years ago now!) 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annaliesey Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 All the above are the reason why I sit in my car for pick up and drop off and go nowhere near the dance studio. There are some lovely mums at our dance school but unfortunately most of the diva mums are in my daughters year. Once caught a dance mum sneaking a peak at my dd's exam result which she had left on the chair whilst she went to the loo. The look on her face when she saw the result just made me laugh. My advice - stay as far away from them as possible!! I'm having this dilemma at the moment because if I sit in the car I get cold, and can't really have the engine running for the heater because it's a residential area (I had someone politely tap on my window ... fair enough) so I've ended up sitting inside. It's quite nice when it's sitting and watching as not appropriate to chat when it's sitting on a bench at the back of the room. Thankfully my days of sitting in a dance school reception area with point scoring mums is behind me for now at least, but yes I agree ... avoid, avoid, avoid! Now shall we talk about facebook and instagram brags? haha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlexyNexy Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 And this is why I am never around and send my darling poor husband (who also sit around pub or car) :-DCan't deal with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pups_mum Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 To be fair though.....whilst this kind of behaviour is very real, I would have to say that I have made some lovely friends via my DD's dancing, and they are friendships I envisage lasting well beyond our respective children's attendance at dance class. When DD first started dancing I did find the other mums quite off putting, but as time went on, I discovered that for every one madly infuriating person there were several very nice ones. It's the same with my other children's hobbies too really. I think there are just some people for whom every aspect of life has to be a competition, but thankfully there are plenty of other more laid back people around too. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi4ballet Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I was once sitting in auditorium watching my dd in an EYB audition, and the mum next to me was whispering to all and sundry (in the row in front, the row behind and to anyone else within earshot, including me) about how great it all was, and her dd was sure to get in, she'd done it before and had a marvellous time etc etc. Time for the 'scholarship' bit at the end, and her dd was among those chosen to do the extra bits. Then everyone sat down and waited for the numbers to be called out. Her dd didn't get a scholarship. She spent the next ten minutes grumbling about those who had, and how unfair it was and her dd should have got it this time and so on. Can you guess where this is leading? Her face was a picture when the girl with the full scholarship came up to me the woman sitting next to her for a congratulatory hug 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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